In this special episode of Circle of Chairs, I'm sharing key points from my new book, When You Love Someone in Recovery, and I created this one specifically for you to pass along to someone who loves you. Whether you're in recovery yourself or you're the family member or friend walking alongside someone who is, this episode is designed to help bridge that gap of understanding. I talk about why families matter more than we've been told, how to rethink some of the old ideas that have left loved ones feeling guilty or helpless, and why there's so much more reason for hope than you might think — even when the journey doesn't look the way you expected. Listen in, and then hit that share button and send it to your person.

Caroline Beidler, MSW, is an author, speaker, and Managing Editor of Recovery.com, where she combines expert guidance with research to help people find the best path to healing and treatment. Her next book, When You Love Someone in Recovery: A Hopeful Guide for Understanding Addiction, is coming Spring 2026 with Nelson Books. Drawing from her own recovery journey through addiction, mental health challenges, and trauma, along with training as a clinical mental health provider and addiction recovery expert, Caroline is passionate about guiding you into seasons of greater healing. Learn more about her books here.

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What if the very thing you’re trying hardest to hide is the doorway to healing?

In this Circle of Chairs Conversation, I sit down with author and pastor John Ortberg to explore the surprising connection between spiritual formation and recovery. Drawing from his book Steps: Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn’t Enough, Ortberg reflects on why change is so difficult—and why the path forward often begins not with strength, but with honest weakness.

Together, they discuss how the wisdom of the 12 Steps has shaped recovery communities for decades—and why the church may have more to learn from those basement meetings than it realizes. From stories of vulnerability to practical reflections on surrender, this conversation invites us to rethink what healing, faith, and transformation really look like.

If you’ve ever felt inadequate, stuck, or unsure of your next step, this episode is a gentle reminder: sometimes the end of our rope is exactly where new life begins.

0:00 — Welcome & Intro

3:35 — The sermon that changed everything
John tells the surprising story of fainting in the middle of a sermon—and how a visible weakness became a powerful spiritual lesson.

6:13 — “My strength is made perfect in weakness”
Why vulnerability can create deeper connection than strength ever could.

7:08 — What the church can learn from recovery
How the culture of confession and honesty in 12-step groups offers a prophetic example for the wider church.

11:11 — Recovery is about surrender, not just sobriety
Caroline and John discuss why recovery is about transformation of the whole life—not just abstaining from substances.

12:48 — What recovery communities can learn from the church
John explains how the 12 Steps grew from Christian discipleship traditions and why deeper spiritual formation matters.

19:49 — The power of telling your story
A moving example of how vulnerability in church can reveal how much everyone truly needs God.

22:38 — God’s address is at the end of your rope
A final encouragement for anyone feeling stuck, desperate, or unsure where to turn next.

https://www.johnortberg.com/

Steps: Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn’t Enough (on Amazon)

Order your pre-release copy of Caroline Beidler's book, When You Love Someone in Recovery and receive a free advance sample chapter.

New book from Caroline Beidler:

Pre-Order: When You Love Someone in Recovery

Caroline Beidler, MSW, is an author, speaker, and Managing Editor of Recovery.com, where she combines expert guidance with research to help people find the best path to healing and treatment. Her next book, When You Love Someone in Recovery: A Hopeful Guide for Understanding Addiction, is coming Spring 2026 with Nelson Books. Drawing from her own recovery journey through addiction, mental health challenges, and trauma, along with training as a clinical mental health provider and addiction recovery expert, Caroline is passionate about guiding you into seasons of greater healing. Learn more about her books here.

Subscribe to her Circle of Chairs Substack community at carolinebeidler.substack.com

In this Circle of Chairs conversation, I interview speaker, author, and podcaster Toni Collier about recovery, trauma, and the kind of community that helps people heal. Toni shares her “buckets” of work - traveling to speak on healing and redemption, writing books including Brave Enough to Be Broken and her new book Don’t Try This Alone, hosting the Still Coloring podcast, and raising her kids as a single mom. She explains that sharing hard truths came from recovering from people-pleasing and focusing on pleasing God rather than others’ opinions. Toni describes a confessional community she built before crisis hit and then the incredible response from her friends.

We discuss breaking cycles of seeking worth through men, learning to sit with pain, and “with-ness” through being seen, soothed, safe, and secure, plus a practical exercise to help you get started with forming your own deep community.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro

00:56 Tony in Buckets

02:50 From Struggle to Vulnerability

06:01 Community and New Book

06:53 Divorce and Confessional Community

11:02 Breaking the Love Lie

16:00 Learning to Sit in Pain

18:37 Withness and Four S's

23:14 Practical Steps to Build Circles

26:04 Closing Thanks

New book from Caroline Beidler:

Pre-Order: When You Love Someone in Recovery

Caroline Beidler, MSW, is an author, speaker, and Managing Editor of Recovery.com, where she combines expert guidance with research to help people find the best path to healing and treatment. Her next book, When You Love Someone in Recovery: A Hopeful Guide for Understanding Addiction, is coming Spring 2026 with Nelson Books. Drawing from her own recovery journey through addiction, mental health challenges, and trauma, along with training as a clinical mental health provider and addiction recovery expert, Caroline is passionate about guiding you into seasons of greater healing. Learn more about her books here.

Subscribe to her Circle of Chairs Substack community at carolinebeidler.substack.com