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Circling The Drain

Circling The Drain

By: John E. Bozeman & Jay Harper
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Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general! Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer. John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine. Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records. Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world. Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co2025 Music Social Sciences
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  • Beat the Odds: Rock Drummer Sandy Gennaro on The Beatles, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & Life Lessons :: Ep 31 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Beat the Odds: Rock Drummer Sandy Gennaro on The Beatles, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & Life Lessons :: Ep 31 Circling the Drain Podcast
    Mar 18 2026
    What do The Beatles, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett, The Monkees, Queen, Bo Diddley, Jason Aldean, and a random fan named Dave in a backstage doorway all have in common?Sandy Gennaro.In this episode of Circling the Drain, John and Jim sit down with veteran rock drummer Sandy Gennaro, a man whose career has taken him from watching The Beatles on TV as a kid to playing arenas around the world and speaking to Fortune 500 companies about leadership, gratitude, and beating the odds.Sandy shares:- How seeing The Beatles on Ed Sullivan at age 11 made him decide his life’s path, and why he literally taped a photo of a drummer to his bathroom mirror and told himself, “That’s going to be you.” - Stories from his early band Blackjack with a pre–solo career Michael Bolton and guitarist Bruce Kulick (KISS, Billy Squier, Meat Loaf, Grand Funk). - Touring and recording stories with Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett, The Monkees, Bo Diddley, and a 3‑month European tour opening for Queen. - His powerful Dave in the Doorway story, a five-minute interaction with a fan that changed his entire life and career. - Why he believes recognition, gratitude, and lifting others up are the real measures of success, on stage and in business. - How a chance connection with Rich Redmond (Jason Aldean’s drummer) and his daughter’s college search led him to Nashville at exactly the right time. This one is packed with rock & roll history, road stories, and surprisingly deep lessons about leadership, humility, and the power of small choices.Topics & Themes:- Visualization, mindset, and “no Plan B” careers - Working with major artists (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett, The Monkees, Queen) - How artists treat their fans, good and bad - The drummer’s role as the CEO of the band - Why recognition (from roadies to CEOs) is fuel for performance - Moving to Nashville and reinventing yourself later in life - Sandy’s book Beat the Odds in Business & in Life 3:10 – East Coast Roots, Italian Family & Giving Up Red Meat Sandy talks about growing up on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, Italian family life, his mom’s reaction when he quit red meat in 1979, and turkey meatballs with toothpicks.5:00 – Europe vs. U.S. Food, Movement & Smartphone Culture A quick tangent on food quality, more active European lifestyles, binge-watching, binge-scrolling, and distracted driving.6:20 – Toy Drums, Early Rhythm & The Beatles Moment (Deep Dive) Sandy revisits the story of getting his first toy drum at 2½, and how that Beatles performance became the defining moment of his life’s direction.7:40 – No Plan B: Rock Star Drummer or Home Depot How committing fully to a dream, and overcoming obstacles one at a time, shaped Sandy’s entire career.9:00 – First Big Break: Blackjack with Michael Bolton & Bruce Kulick Sandy tells the story of his first professional band Blackjack, with Michael Bolotin (Michael Bolton), Bruce Kulick, and Jimmy Haslip, and working with legendary producer Tom Dowd.12:40 – Touring with Peter Frampton & Learning the Big-League Game Opening for Peter Frampton, playing arenas for the first time, big-label hype, and how Blackjack led to other opportunities like Benny Mardones’ Into the Night.14:30 – Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & Cancer Fundraising Sandy’s work with Cyndi Lauper (Money Changes Everything) and Joan Jett (The Hit List), plus how they still support his cancer fundraisers with signed merch and swag.17:00 – The Monkees: TV Band, Real Legacy Stories from decades of Monkees reunion tours, their innovative early use of video to sell records, Davy Jones’ dedication to fans, and their impact on pop culture.19:20 – Davy Jones at Dinner & Always Signing Autographs Anecdotes about Davy Jones eating at Sandy’s house, his heartthrob status, and refusing to leave venues until every fan in line got an autograph.20:20 – Gratitude, Fans & Never Forgetting Who Got You There Sandy’s philosophy on always appreciating fans, recognizing people by name (like servers), and why it’s non-negotiable to show respect to those who support you.24:00 – Opening for Queen in Europe (1986) The CRAFT tour with Queen across Europe: how Queen treated their openers, full access to production, after-show parties, and hanging with Freddie Mercury, Brian May, and Roger Taylor.25:50 – The Good, The Bad & The Ugly of Headliners Contrasting Queen’s generosity with less gracious headliners; John shares a rough experience opening for Roy Clark’s band.31:00 – Drum Techs, Crew & Recognizing the People Behind the Show Sandy talks about his drum tech Bob Oiler, a Modern Drummer shoutout, and why public recognition for crew and “lower-level” staff is so life-changing.32:40 – Leadership Lesson: Recognition Fuels Engagement How appreciation boosts engagement, pride, and self-esteem, from the CEO to the person emptying the wastebasket, and why praise must flow both ways.35:10 – Life ...
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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • Ron Allen on Nashville Radio, Jack FM, and What’s Next :: Ep 29 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Ron Allen on Nashville Radio, Jack FM, and What’s Next :: Ep 29 Circling the Drain Podcast
    Mar 11 2026

    Longtime Nashville programmer Ron Allen (96.3 Jack FM, Y’all Country) joins Circling The Drain to talk about 20 years of Jack FM, the changing face of radio, and how local personalities still matter in a streaming and AI-driven world.


    Ron walks through his journey from Tulsa and Wichita to Nashville, the heyday of big-budget radio, and what has been lost as companies cut costs, shrink staffs, and push more national and digital initiatives. He explains why training grounds for new talent have disappeared, why making a living in radio is harder than ever, and why he still believes there is a long life left for terrestrial radio if it leans into its strengths.


    You will hear candid insights on Jack FM, Y’all, iHeart, HD Radio, Big D & Bubba, WSM, KDF, and the battle for country listeners in Nashville, plus stories about Phil Valentine, building the Moose brand, and keeping stations “local” even without a full live staff.


    Timed Highlights
    1:44 Ron Allen introduced and his Jack FM background
    2:31 Jack FM hits 20 years in Nashville and the power of simple billboards
    3:24 Why some stations still get branding and billboards wrong
    4:15 Suites, perks, and how radio culture has changed over the years
    5:31 Company culture: radio vs non-radio employers
    6:37 What radio felt like in the 80s and 90s compared to today
    8:16 Cost cutting, AI, and multi-market programming on the horizon
    8:54 Would young Ron choose radio today?
    9:29 No more “farm teams”: the disappearance of training grounds
    9:43 Why it is hard to give hopeful advice to broadcasting students
    10:21 Content will always be needed, but the distribution is changing
    11:14 Why existing radio talent are undervalued as content creators
    13:49 The need for young talent and how broadcasters should mentor them
    14:32 Pay reality: when fast food gigs beat full-time radio salaries
    16:16 What actually sells with advertisers now: spots vs digital
    16:43 Tip of the hat to iHeart’s digital operation
    18:16 Why local personalities like Moose still beat automation and AI
    19:30 Radio’s built-in advantage: licenses, scarcity, and reach
    20:21 Nashville ice storm: when radio’s immediacy really matters
    20:42 Stations off the air and the business impact
    22:09 How Jack and Y’all stay “local” with limited live staff
    23:32 Are big groups more invested in digital than in their over-the-air product?
    25:14 HD Radio, subchannels, and having transmitters but no content
    28:06 When digital investment does not flow back to better radio
    29:39 “Facebook is free”: social replacing traditional marketing budgets
    30:59 How Jack and Y’all actually use social media and street teams
    32:27 The blurry line between promotion and spam in social feeds
    33:17 Why putting sponsors on as guests hurts host credibility
    34:21 Remembering Phil Valentine and why honesty on air works
    36:17 What traditional music radio has that Spotify and Apple Music do not
    36:34 Personality, locality, and effortless music discovery
    38:59 Contests, trips, and experiences listeners cannot buy themselves
    39:12 Turning Moose into a recognizable, real-life brand
    42:12 Launching Y’all and tapping the 80s–2000s country lane
    46:16 How competition in Nashville country radio shifted
    48:03 Inside baseball: KDF, WSM, iHeart, and market strategy
    50:00 Moving Big D & Bubba and how audience migration could have been handled
    54:05 Using a powerful signal well vs treating it like an afterthought
    54:48 Ron’s favorite formats to program and why they still excite him
    56:00 How he fell into adult hits and Jack-style radio
    58:00 Why adult hits plus 90s country is his dream combination
    59:27 Wrap up and closing thoughts
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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Hauntings in Nashville: Hank Williams’ House, Ghost Cats, and Messages from Beyond :: Ep 28 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Hauntings in Nashville: Hank Williams’ House, Ghost Cats, and Messages from Beyond :: Ep 28 Circling the Drain Podcast
    Mar 4 2026
    From Civil War battlefields to the legendary Hank Williams house on Franklin Road, this episode of Circling The Drain dives deep into hauntings, strange coincidences, and emotional encounters with the other side.Johnny B, Jay Harper, and Jim McCarthy swap eerie and heartfelt stories, including: – Ghostly music in Phil Valentine’s old cabin – Cold rooms and strange phenomena in Hank and Audrey Williams’ home – A child’s disembodied “Mom” in the middle of the night – A ghost cat that still roams a family home – A terrifying choking encounter in a haunted Arizona hotel – Dreams, premonitions, and final goodbyes from parents, friends, and radio legends They also touch on ley lines, New Orleans voodoo, Civil War and Revolutionary War history, and why Middle Tennessee may be one of the most spiritually active regions in America.If you’ve ever wondered whether loved ones can reach out after they’re gone, or why certain places just feel heavy, this episode is for you.02:25 TV news stories, anchors with no pants, and pre-show haunting chat 03:06 Phil Valentine’s haunted cabin and mysterious violin music 04:43 Blood in the dirt: Civil War battlefields around Middle Tennessee 05:37 Cannonballs through walls and soldiers hung in the trees 06:15 Hank Williams sightings at the Ryman and ghost stories on the Opry 06:43 Inside the Hank Williams house on Franklin Road 08:13 The record slows down, temperature drops, and the room turns freezing 09:48 Was it Hank Sr. or Audrey Williams haunting the house? 09:59 Audrey’s strange death, unpaid taxes, and a bedroom that stayed cold 11:07 Partygoers who swear they saw Audrey among them 12:17 Cancelled checks in the attic and lost Hank-era artifacts 13:15 Using the Hank house as the ultimate pickup line 13:57 The light-up “Williams” bar and the home’s later famous owners 14:30 Music Row history and the loss of classic studios like the Sound Shop 15:24 An older Gallatin home, a ghost child’s “Mom” and the phantom cat 17:20 Anniversary trip through haunted Arizona hotels 19:13 The Prescott hotel choking incident and an angry prostitute’s room 20:59 Taps on the shoulder at the San Carlo in Phoenix 23:13 Songwriter Gary Gentry, summoning Hank Williams, and “The Ride” 24:12 Opry performance of “The Ride” that blacked out the Opryland complex 24:53 Audrey’s line that became “The whole world calls me Hank” 25:53 Haunted office building at 1111 on Music Row and the lonely sisters 26:36 How Nashville and Music Row have transformed over the years 27:19 Jim’s wife and early apartment hauntings in Nashville 29:17 Blacklight evidence of something dark under the carpet 30:09 New houses, old graves, and why everywhere might be a burial ground 30:21 Being buried on your own property in Tennessee and HOA jokes 31:08 Growing up in Connecticut vs. haunting-rich Southern states 31:58 Kansas hauntings and pioneer tragedies 32:23 New Orleans, Charleston, voodoo, slavery, and haunted cities 35:04 Marie Laveau’s grave and cemetery tourism gone too far 35:35 Celebrity graves, offerings, and questionable “tributes” 35:48 Ley lines, Topeka, Nashville, and energy crossings 37:10 Do spirits linger? The group’s take on the paranormal 37:18 Jim’s brother, a psychic, and a dream of their father 38:34 A promised breath on the neck after death that actually happened 40:30 A mother asking permission to die and passing the next morning 43:10 A last-minute decision to visit Dad just before he passed 44:36 A father’s final advice about appreciating time and people 45:01 The day Johnny lost his best friend, Dave White 46:07 Sudden death of a radio mentor and seeing him at the station 48:05 Praying for Phil Valentine and a feeling that “everything’s going to be okay” 49:05 Interpreting peace as a sign of a loved one’s safe passing 49:50 Repeated dreams of Phil and why some people show up more than others 50:15 Dream appearances by parents that feel more like visits than dreams 52:27 Hugging Mom in dreams that feel absolutely real 53:13 A dream of Phil checking on his son and Susan confirming the details 54:56 A Christmas card from Phil and a layoff ten minutes later 55:27 Breaking the heaviness with humor about haunting Jim’s dreams 55:39 Vegas, the mob, and bodies under new construction 56:18 Lake Mead receding and bodies in barrels 56:37 Johnny’s fascination with the mob and Michael Franzese 57:09 Jim’s Henry Hill story at the Spearmint Rhino 59:00 The Godfather bit, Philadelphia, and a real mob warning 59:54 Mob involvement in making The Godfather and “The Offer” series 1:00:59 Haunted bungalows near a dam in Chattanooga and nervous dogs 1:03:13 Why women and children often sense things first 1:03:21 Dogs reacting on the day Johnny’s grandfather died 1:04:04 Threatening to haunt listeners who do...
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    1 hr and 5 mins
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