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Ep. 40 - Where have you come from, and where are you going?

Ep. 40 - Where have you come from, and where are you going?

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Sarai had a plan. Unable to conceive, she tells Avram to take her maidservant Hagar as a concubine. Whatever child comes from this union will be hers. She picks Hagar deliberately, having spent ten years watching her, trusting her above all the others. Then Hagar gets pregnant on the first try, and the whole thing unravels almost immediately.


This episode works through one of the Torah's most painfully human sequences: Hagar's sudden contempt for her mistress, Sarai's furious accusation against Avram, and Avram's hands-off response that sends Hagar fleeing into the desert. Rabbi Epstein uncovers a reading of Sarai's complaint that most people miss entirely. When she says "the outrage against me is due to you," she is making a specific legal and spiritual charge rooted in what Avram prayed for.


The episode also examines what happens when Hagar runs and an angel finds her at a desert spring. The angel asks her two questions: where have you come from, and where are you going? Hagar can only answer the first one. Rabbi Epstein sits with that for a while, because it turns out the questions are less about geography than about whether any of us actually know the answer to the second one.


And woven through all of it: why do the matriarchs have so much difficulty having children? The Talmud's answer is both surprising and consoling, and it lands differently when you hear it in the context of this story.

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