In this candid and searching conversation, George Packer wrestles with what it means to be a patriot in a fractured nation, and Ted presses him on whether shared facts or shared values will really unite us. George distinguishes between love of country and nationalism, and acknowledges a fading empathy for those he feels have betrayed democracy. Drawing on his newly published novel, The Emergency, he describes turning to fiction to reach the deeper truths that journalism could not.

Find his work at theatlantic.com/author/george-packer

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Good Citizen is hosted by Ted Roosevelt V and produced by The Future of StoryTelling in collaboration with Charts & Leisure, on behalf of the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation. Learn more about T.R.’s upcoming presidential library at www.trlibrary.com.

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Future of StoryTelling

Founder and CEO, Charles Melcher

Director, Carolyn Merriman

Producer, Alison Byrne

Assistant Producer, Madison Brown

Production Assistant, Tsuki Carlson

Charts & Leisure

Executive Producer, Jason Oberholtzer

Producer, Meghal Janardan

Editor, Garrett Crowe

Mix, Andrew Atkin

Music and Final Assembly, Michael Simonelli

With special thanks to Paul Jackson, Edward F. O’Keefe, Robbie Lauf, Courtland Miller, and Matt Briney.

In a special live taping at The Explorers Club in New York City, presidential historian and Pulitzer Prize-winner Doris Kearns Goodwin joins Ted for a warm, wide-ranging conversation about his great-great-grandfather. Goodwin shares lively anecdotes about TR and other White House occupants, reveals details of her new book on the Gilded Age, and marvels at the upcoming Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library: “I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.”

Ted reflects on discovering his connection to Theodore Roosevelt as a child, and together they make the case that TR's legacy of service, empathy, and character is exactly what America needs right now.

Find her at doriskearnsgoodwin.com.

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Good Citizen is hosted by Ted Roosevelt V and produced by The Future of StoryTelling in collaboration with Charts & Leisure, on behalf of the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation. Learn more about T.R.’s upcoming presidential library at www.trlibrary.com.

Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation

350 Third Avenue

Medora, North Dakota 58645

Future of StoryTelling

Founder and CEO, Charles Melcher

Director, Carolyn Merriman

Producer, Alison Byrne

Assistant Producer, Madison Brown

Production Assistant, Tsuki Carlson

Charts & Leisure

Executive Producer, Jason Oberholtzer

Producer, Meghal Janardan

Editor, Garrett Crowe

Mix, Andrew Atkin

Music and Final Assembly, Michael Simonelli

With special thanks to The Explorers Club, Allison O’Keefe, Edward F. O’Keefe, Robbie Lauf, Courtland Miller, and Matt Briney.

Karl Rove cuts through partisan noise to examine deep questions about American democracy. The master political strategist offers a surprisingly optimistic take on our polarized moment, drawing from the divisions of the 1960s, the Gilded Age, and the 1896 McKinley-Bryan race. His rich and dynamic storytelling invites listeners to consider that Americans will ultimately demand unity.

Karl is the former Deputy Chief of Staff to President George W. Bush and currently a columnist for The Wall Street Journal, a Fox News contributor, and the author of The Triumph of William McKinley.

Find him at rove.com.

For more, visit goodcitizenpodcast.com.

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Good Citizen is hosted by Ted Roosevelt V and produced by The Future of StoryTelling in collaboration with Charts & Leisure, on behalf of the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation. Learn more about T.R.’s upcoming presidential library at www.trlibrary.com.

Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation

350 Third Avenue

Medora, North Dakota 58645

Future of StoryTelling

Founder and CEO, Charles Melcher

Director, Carolyn Merriman

Producer, Alison Byrne

Assistant Producer, Madison Brown

Production Assistant, Tsuki Carlson

Charts & Leisure

Executive Producer, Jason Oberholtzer

Producer, Meghal Janardan

Editor, Garrett Crowe

Mix, Andrew Atkin

Music and Final Assembly, Michael Simonelli

With special thanks to Jenna Williamson, Edward F. O’Keefe, Robbie Lauf, Courtland Miller, and Matt Briney.