Peter and Michael discuss "Bullshit Jobs" by anarchist anthropologist David Graeber. The result: two professional podcasters debating which jobs are real and which jobs are fake.

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• On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs: A Work Rant
• 37% of British workers think their jobs are meaningless
• Average Annual Hours Worked by Persons Engaged for United States
• The times they are not changin’: Days and hours of work in Old and New Worlds, 1870–2000
• ‘Bullshit’ After All? Why People Consider Their Jobs Socially Useless
• Alienation Is Not ‘Bullshit’: An Empirical Critique of Graeber’s Theory of BS Jobs
• Many people feel they work in pointless ‘bullshit’ jobs, research confirms
• The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure
• Study: Leisure Time Declines
• USA Consumption as percent of GDP
• The Significance of Task Significance: Job Performance Effects, Relational Mechanisms, and Boundary Conditions
• Task significance and meaningful work: A longitudinal study
• Americans’ job satisfaction in 2024

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It turns out that the key to wealth is buying the right kind of watch, marrying the right kind of wife and being the right kind of white.

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• Uneasy Street
• A Century of Wealth In America
• Family, Education, and Sources of Wealth among the Richest Americans, 1982–2012
• Wealth Elite Moralities
• The insane growth of America’s millionaire class
• The Extraordinary Rise In The Wealth Of Older American Households
• Planning & Progress Study 2025
• Striking Out on Their Own: The Self-Employed in Bankruptcy
• How Many Households Meet The Net Worth Guidelines Of The Millionaire Next Door?
• Paying Tribute to Thomas Stanley and His ‘Millionaire Next Door’
• Pity the Billionaires
• What Rich Women Want
• The deserving or undeserving rich?
• The Evolution of Top Incomes

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The boys catalog the definitive worst takes of the year, from the pundits who misunderstood our political moment to a guy who wants to have sex with a computer.

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The boys continue their discussion of Walter Isaacson's "Elon Musk." This is the part where Elon loses his mind.

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• From self-proclaimed ‘socialist’ to Team Trump and DeSantis: Elon Musk’s curious politics revealed
• The Quiet Political Rise of David Sacks, Silicon Valley’s Prophet of Urban Doom
• Elon Musk biographer admits suggestion SpaceX head blocked Ukraine drone attack was wrong
• Elon Musk's Daughter on Dad's Biography: 'Sad Excuse for a Puff Piece'
• Character Limit
• Twitter fulfilling more government censorship requests under Musk
• Elon Musk booed for nearly 5 minutes straight at Dave Chappelle show in San Francisco
• New CNN Chief Trying to Please GOP Elite
• Research finds more than 14 million preventable deaths by 2030 if USAID defunding continues, including more than 4 million children under five
• What the data says about Social Security
• Trump Administration, DOGE Activities Risk SSA Operations and Security of Personal Data

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A biography that dares to ask: Is a lifetime of worker abuse and narcissism worth it to experience robot butlers?

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• What Elon Musk Gets Wrong about South Africa
• Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather
• Elon Musk claims he was once one of the best Quake players around
• Watch Elon Musk Talk About Being an ‘Illegal Immigrant’ in Video From 2013
• Elon Musk’s dad Errol says he can ‘prove’ existence of emerald mine in new bombshell claim revealing its location
• How Elon Musk Went from Superhero to Supervillain
• The Believer
• Elon Musk: The Architect of Tomorrow
• How Elon Musk Plans on Reinventing the World (and Mars)
• Tesla factory workers reveal pain, injury and stress: 'Everything feels like the future but us' | Tesla
• Hundreds of Tesla workers tested positive for the virus after Elon Musk reopened a plant, data shows
• Inside Tesla as Elon Musk Pushed an Unflinching Vision for Self-Driving Cars
• Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer testifies
• Elon Musk Says His 'Running Robot' Will 'Actually Eliminate Poverty' As He Shares Video Of Tesla Optimus Jogging
• Elon Musk Wants ‘Strong Influence’ Over the ‘Robot Army’ He’s Building
• There’s a Very Simple Pattern to Elon Musk’s Broken Promises

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How do you tell the entire history of humanity in a single book? Whatever you do, do not open a browser window.

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• A Response to Yuval Harari
• Yuval Noah Harari’s History of Everyone, Ever
• How Humankind Conquered the World
• The revolution that wasn't
• Advances In The Study Of The Origin Of Humanness
• 21 Lessons for the 21st Century is a banal and risible self-help book
• Are Human Rights Western?
• Bonaparte in Egypt
• Ship of Fools
• The Dangerous Populist Science of Yuval Noah Harari
• A Reductionist History of Humankind
• Harari, Sapiens and historical accuracy
• The Broad Spectrum Revolution at 40
• The Neolithic Revolution in the Middle East
• Was the Agricultural Revolution a Terrible Mistake?
• The Darker Side of the "Original Affluent Society"
• Harari's world history
• Compassion with Justice: Harari’s Assault on Human Rights
• Reconsidering the link between past material culture and cognition

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Live like Dale Carnegie, neg like Calvin Coolidge.

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• Self-help Messiah: Dale Carnegie and Success in Modern America
• The Positive Thinkers
• Age of industrial violence 1910-1915 : the activities and findings of the United States commission on industrial relations
• Representation and Rebellion: The Rockefeller Plan at the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company, 1914–1942
• Dale Carnegie and the Problem of Sincerity
  New York Times review from 1937

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Peter and Michael discuss a book that's light on facts and long on sentences.

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• Book Review: ‘Summer of Our Discontent,’ by Thomas Chatterton Williams
• Police shootings database 2015-2024
• From the archive, 22 March 1991: President Bush sickened by Rodney King case
• Barack Obama Public Approval
• Letter To Christopher L. Eisgruber, President Princeton University
• Police give additional details in beating of machete-wielding man amid Dallas protest
• In City After City, Police Mishandled Black Lives Matter Protests
• RIOTS IN LOS ANGELES: Challenger; Nation Needs Healing, Clinton Says
• Median household income by race and ethnicity U.S. 1967-2023
• Majority of college students support Israel/Gaza campus protests, 1 in 10 actually participate in them
• Thomas Chatterton Williams on Race, Identity, and “Cancel Culture”

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