Norm-Shattering and Spellbinding: A Conversation About Charisma, Trump, and What Comes Next

Lee Siegel and co-host David Rieff discuss charisma in American politics, using Trump's State of the Union and Max Weber's definition of charisma to explore how Trump's norm-shattering, story-driven persona rivets even his critics. They debate whether right-wing populism can survive without Trump, noting that charismatic leaders rarely pass power on and arguing that figures like JD Vance lack similar appeal, while Democrats also hunt for charisma in personalities like Zohran Mamdani and a Maine congressional candidate. The conversation contrasts Trump with routinized bureaucratic politics, examines gender backlash, resentment, performative cruelty, and the fragmentation of modern personality. The hosts consider de-democratization, wealth concentration, party incoherence, and structural features of the American system. They end skeptical that either party can easily find a comparable charismatic successor.

Executive producer Matty Rosenberg
Edited by Lee Siegel, David Rieff, and Matty Rosenberg
Additional video editing by Matty Rosenberg and Esther Martel
Music arrangement and performance by Matt Schreiber

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