This episode of the Play Nature Podcast feels like stepping into a backyard where something magical is always unfolding. Mud. Water. Sand. Stories.

Host Rusty Keeler welcomes Kristy DeGraff to explore what happens when we trust children, follow curiosity, and let nature lead the way. It’s about more than play. It’s about belonging. It’s about building spaces where kids can dig deep, take risks, and feel at home in the world.

Kristy brings a powerful blend of experience. Social worker. Educator. Mother. Advocate. She shares how her journey, from supporting families in crisis to designing a nature-rich childcare program, shaped the way she sees children and community.

This conversation stretches beyond the backyard. Into systems. Into advocacy. Into the work of speaking up for children and families. Kristy reminds us that change doesn’t have to be big to matter. A phone call. A small shift. A single idea put into motion. It all counts. Just like in play, we start where we are. And we keep going.

Top Takeaways from Kristy DeGraaf:

• Dream big. Start small. Never stop. Whether you’re building a play space or creating change
• Children thrive in environments that invite risk, creativity, and real-world exploration
• Advocacy doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing. Small actions, done consistently, make a difference

Links:

kristydegraaf.com

Instagram: @kristy.degraaf

Facebook: Kristy DeGraaf

TikTok: @kristykae.childcarepro

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Rusty’s FREE Outdoor Loose Parts Guide

Licensing. Not the most exciting topic. Not mud pies or tree climbing. But if you work in schools, parks, or early childhood programs, licensing is part of the landscape.

In this episode of Play Nature Podcast, host Rusty is answering the question many educators ask: How do we keep nature play, loose parts, and risky play alive when licensing rules feel like a wall? The good news? The wall might actually be a doorway.

Rusty explores the relationship between educators and licensors. At first it can feel tense. Someone arrives with a clipboard. They inspect logs, spoons, mud kitchens, and climbing trees. But licensors are there for a reason. Their job is to protect children.

When we slow down and communicate the why behind nature play, we often discover we’re on the same team. The key is speaking their language. Know the rules. Show your thinking. Share the research. When educators confidently explain the benefits of loose parts and outdoor play, licensors begin to see the bigger picture.

Top 3 Takeaways from Rusty

• Know the rules. Read them carefully. When you understand them, you can design nature play spaces that follow them and still invite adventure.
• Explain the “why.” Share the research and developmental benefits behind logs, mud kitchens, loose parts, and risky play.
• Build trust. When licensors see thoughtful planning and strong supervision, they are more likely to support creative outdoor play environments.

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Rusty’s FREE Outdoor Loose Parts Guide

Play is everywhere. It slips through sidewalks and across continents. In this episode of Play Nature Podcast, host Rusty Keeler welcomes playworker, play advocate, and “friend of play” Marc Armitage. Marc is joining from Australia with stories that stretch from Yorkshire to the far corners of playgrounds and city streets.

Together they wander through big questions. What is play? Who gets to decide? And what happens when we simply give children space and time to be?

Marc invites us into the mindset of playwork which is less about outcomes, more about conditions. He shares how playwork is both a profession and an attitude, rooted in history yet alive in every moment a child drifts into flow.

From adventure playgrounds to city design, from the “three frees” to the quiet power of standing back and observing, the conversation reminds us that children don’t need us to script play. They need us to notice it.

This episode reminds us to trust the process, widen the lens, and remember that the spirit of play is already alive in every child, just waiting for room to roam.

Play is universal. Play is ancient. Play is the thing children just do.

Links:

marc-armitage.com

@marc.armitage.at.play on Facebook

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Rusty’s FREE Outdoor Loose Parts Guide