In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Jason connects with Isi De Gersigny to explore the expansive, immersive, and measureless love of God. Together, they reflect on worship, trauma, healing, union, and the freedom that comes when we stop living for God’s approval and begin living from the realitythat we are already beloved. This episode is a beautiful invitation beyond fear, separation thinking, and performance-based faith into the wide-open life revealed in Jesus. If you’ve ever wrestled with God’s goodness, deconstruction, or what it really means to live loved, this conversation will stay with you.

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Tommy Miller, Bobby Shane Brooks, and Jason have a powerful conversation about union, identity, and the goodness of God, exploring how much of modern Christianity has framed the gospel through separation, behavior, and fear rather than inclusion, belovedness, and Christ-centered being. Tommy unpacks the difference between “tragic ontology” and “salvific ontology,” while Bobby shares his deeply personal story of losing his daughter and how the revelation of God’s unwavering love carried him through grief without turning him against the Father. Together, they reclaim salvation, healing, holiness, and identity through the lens of union, arguing that the delusion of separation is over and that the gospel is ultimately the awakening to who we have always been in Christ.

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In this conversation, Cary Brown, PhD, discusses his new book Crisis of Maps. He shares his journey of rethinking theology, the impact of childhood maps on faith, and how the COVID pandemic catalyzed a global re-evaluation of beliefs. Discover practical applications for parenting, trauma healing, and living confidently in God's love. The guys explore themes of secure attachment, open systems, and the transformative power of love over fear. Cary emphasizes the importance of curiosity, trust, and listening to our bodies and God. This episode offers practical wisdom for living freely and exploring the vastness of God's goodness.

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In this conversation, Roy Rhoades shares his transformative journey from a legalistic upbringing to a deep understanding of God's love. He emphasizes the importance of community, connection, and the freedom that comes from living loved. The discussion highlights the shift from performance-based ministry to a love-centered approach, showcasing the power of love in action, especially in his experiences in India. Roy's insights on humility, childlikeness, and the significance of hearing God's voice resonate throughout the conversation, culminating in a powerful message about the beauty of union with God.

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Jason reconnects with his friend (and occasional co-host) Paul Golf for a laughter-and-theology conversation that starts with Dutch tacos and ends with a gospel that actually works outside a “climate-controlled” church environment. Paul shares the story behind Damascus: Encounter the Unexpected Christ—how transformative encounters with Jesus dismantled fear-based paradigms (wrath, separation, performative spirituality) and forced him to find new language for what he’d experienced. Together, they explore why “a prophet’s job is to remove fear,” why revelation comes before instruction, and how salvation looks less like “getting in” and more like waking up inside the Father’s house—from dreamland/nightmareland into the reality of union and perfect love that casts out fear—plus a quick preview of the Bristol (May 29–30, 2026) gathering.

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In this conversation, Mark Casto shares his transformative journey from a life rooted in legalism and performance-based ministry to one centered on beloved identity and God's unconditional love. He reflects on the challenges he faced, including panic attacks and the pressures of ministry success, and how these experiences led him to a deeper understanding of grace and the importance of family. Mark discusses the importance of community in spiritual growth and the challenges he faced while planting a church. Ultimately, he emphasizes the need to redefine success in ministry and the power of living in beloved identity.

Mark and Jason also explore themes of identity, self-discovery, and the journey of pastors in the context of a shifting church landscape. They discuss the importance of rediscovering one's true self, the challenges faced by shepherds, and the need for a reformation within the church. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of questioning authority, embracing beloved identity, and the genius of redemption in the Christian journey. Ultimately, they highlight the importance of community, connection, and the freedom to be oneself in the pursuit of faith and purpose.

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In this engaging conversation, Lisa Wentworth Couture and Jason explore the profound themes of love, identity, and healing through the lens of union. Lisa shares her personal journey of discovering God's love and the concept of 'Beloved Union,' emphasizing that salvation is not a transaction but a relational awakening to our true identity in Christ. They discuss the impact of shame, the importance of community support, and the inherent innocence within each person. The conversation culminates in a reflection on the simplicity of the gospel and the transformative power of truth and reconciliation.

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In this shared podcast conversation, Trevor Meier (Naturally Supernatural) and Jason explore their spiritual journeys, with a focus on sonship, the nature of God's love, and the importance of community in faith. They discuss their experiences in ministry, the impact of revival movements, and the shift from a transactional view of God to an unconditional love view. The conversation highlights the process of detoxifying from fear-based theology and embracing a life of union with God, ultimately awakening to the measureless love that defines their faith. The guys also explore the transformative journey of understanding the gospel, emphasizing themes of inclusion, identity, and living from love. They discuss the shift from a sin-focused mindset to one of acceptance and freedom, highlighting the importance of community. The dialogue also addresses the significance of friendship with God and the joy of sharing these revelations with others, while incorporating the light-hearted theme of tacos as a metaphor for connection and community.

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