Joel Wollum, President of The Emerald Companies in St. Cloud, Minnesota, joins Phil to share his journey from dairy farm kid to newspaper press operator to lawn care entrepreneur. From starting with a $100 garage sale mower and manually lifting snowblowers into trucks 15 times per storm, to building a business that still serves customers from 28 years ago, Joel reveals why referrals are better than being the biggest, why daily podcast listening beats jamming music, and how waving at competitors keeps you positive even when they don't wave back.

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Episode Chapters

00:22 - Welcome & Guest Intro

01:41 - Joel’s Early Roots

04:23 - The First Snow Removal Hustle

07:25 - Overview of Emerald Companies

09:02 - Why Exit HOA’s?

11:00 - Going All In on Brine

13:01 - Scaling Brine Production

15:01 - Mentors & Brine Support

17:06 - Can You DIY Brine?

18:09 - Technology & Forecasting

20:16 - Joel’s Equipment Setup

24:23 - Cycle Times and Routing

25:59 - Industry Events & Education

28:56 - Peer Group Insights

30:06 - Advice for Newcomers

32:00 - Pride & Customer Referrals

33:15 - Please Like, Share & Subscribe!

Key Learnings

Referrals Beat Being the Biggest - Customer referrals create more excitement and satisfaction than being the largest company in town because they prove you're doing good work people want to recommend.

Daily Learning Compounds Over Time - Listen to podcasts, YouTube, and educational content every day instead of just music because there are valuable lessons available everywhere.

Problems Are Perspective Issues - When your truck transmission fails, remember you have a truck to repair while many people don't have that problem to worry about.

Wave at Competitors Regardless - Keep a positive outlook by waving at competitors driving down the road, even if they don't wave back, because attitude matters more than their response.

Nobody Is Smarter Than Anybody Else - Everyone has something to teach you, so keep your ears open and pick up lessons from whoever is willing to share.

Fancy and Shiny Doesn't Matter - Focus on doing good work and getting positive customer feedback rather than having the biggest, fanciest, or shiniest equipment and operations.

Figure It Out as You Go - You don't need to know everything before starting; Joel didn't know how to spell "retaining wall" when a customer asked him to build one, but he figured it out.

Original Customers Prove Longevity - Still having customers from 28 years ago demonstrates the value of consistent service and relationship building over time.

Peer Groups Provide Monthly Value - Regular peer group calls with contractors from different regions offer insights about equipment, routing, brine, and techniques you wouldn't hear otherwise.

Industry Education Never Stops - Attend conferences like SIMA, engage with Snow Fighters Institute, and participate in educational opportunities to continue growing your knowledge.

Simple Marketing Can Work - Hanging flyers at senior centers and creating colored handouts with your life story can generate business when you're starting out.

Plan Equipment Logistics Better - Think through how equipment will load and transport before buying it; Joel learned this lesson loading snowblower tractors 15 times per storm.

Reflection Questions

Are you focusing more on being the biggest company in your market or...

Cam Roberts, President of Laser Pavement Solutions and host of "Stripe It Like It's Hot" podcast, joins Phil to share his journey from facility maintenance to running a pavement and snow removal business in British Columbia. From lessons learned hiring contractors in small towns, to bleeding money for the first three years, to building a podcast that's now 151 episodes strong, Cam reveals why leadership cannot be outsourced to AI, why exceptional people are essential for growth, and how business owners should focus on protecting culture and finding future talent rather than staying in the weeds.

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Episode Chapters

00:19 - Welcome and Cam Roberts Intro

01:26 - Laser Pavement Solutions Overview

02:47 - Moving North & BC Life

03:59 - Early Background and Roots

05:14 - Facility Maintenance Lessons

08:21 - Glass Trade and Accident Pivot

11:21 - Starting Line Striping Business

12:38 - Why Snow Wasn’t the Plan

14:40 - Snow Business Today and Fleet

17:23 - Tech and Customer Communication

19:31 - CRM That Scales Sales

21:28 - Fast Growth vs Profit

22:46 - Hiring an Accountability Leader

24:38 - EOS Self Implementation

26:31 - The Power of Snowfighters Institute

29:46 - Cam on Starting His Podcast

32:50 - Leadership in the AI Era

35:12 - The CEO’s Role According to Cam

38:25 - Visionary vs Integrator

Key Learnings

Unprofessional Contractors Create Market Opportunities - Seeing unprofessional contractors making good money in small markets can reveal business opportunities for those willing to operate with higher standards.

You Cannot Outsource Leadership to AI - While AI can handle administrative tasks, leadership ability and solving human issues cannot be abdicated to technology regardless of company size.

Exceptional People Are Essential for Growth - Natural talent and owner mentality will get you to a point, but you need exceptional people to help grow your business beyond what you can do alone.

Protect Culture and Find Future Talent - Business owners should focus on two main things: protecting and reinforcing company culture, and actively seeking talent needed 2-5 years from now.

Prime Future Talent with Regular Contact - Meeting with potential future hires quarterly keeps them engaged and ready when you need them, allowing you to grow with confidence knowing people are lined up.

Working in Today Prevents Tomorrow Focus - When owners get pulled into daily operations, it creates internal frustration because their time needs to be spent worrying about tomorrow, not today.

Small Town Experience Teaches Business Lessons - Working in facility maintenance in small communities exposes you to both good and poor contractors, teaching valuable lessons about professionalism and service standards.

Podcasting Builds Authority and Focus - Starting with general content and evolving to focused education for specific audiences (pavement business owners under $1M) creates better results.

Team Unity Requires Constant Focus - Building a team moving forward in a unified direction should consume 50-80% of a leader's thinking, energy, and focus.

Know When You're in the Wrong Seat - Recognizing when you're doing work that isn't your proper role helps maintain clarity about where your time should be spent for maximum impact.

Help Others Avoid Your Mistakes - Creating content and education to help others reach milestones without making the same expensive m...

Mike Bott, co-founder of Frost Solutions, joins Phil to discuss how mini weather stations are revolutionizing snow removal operations. From property-specific forecasting that outperforms local news and NOAA, to AI-powered alerts that eliminate middle-of-the-night property checks, to real-time pavement temperature readings taken every minute, Mike explains how technology can save money, improve sleep, and help contractors deploy crews only when actually needed. He also shares insights on product development driven by customer feedback and why evolving with your competition is essential for industry success.

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Episode Chapters

00:44 - What Frost Solutions Does

03:06 - Hardware: Size, Mounting & Setup

05:05 - Dashboard: Live Data & Alerts

06:27 - Hyperlocal Pavement Forecasting

09:14 - AI Frost Vision and Computer Vision

11:42 - Why Property-Specific Data Matters

13:23 - Company Origin Story

16:18 - FS at Pitch Events

18:20 - Why Enter Snow Tech

21:11 - Frost Vision Camera & New Sensors

22:26 - Customer Bases for Frost Solutions

26:16 - Commercial Customer Scaling

28:33 - Slip & Fall Defense Strategy

32:47 - Slip and Fall Defense Strategy

35:38 - Founder Life & Side Investments

37:19 - Where to Find Frost Solutions

39:01 - Keep Evolving!

Key Learnings

Stop Night Property Checks - Stop driving around at night checking properties when weather stations can do it for you.

Property-Specific Beats General Forecasts - Property-specific forecasts beat general weather reports because different pavement types behave differently even on the same property.

Pavement Temperature Trumps Air Temperature - Deploy crews based on pavement temperature, not just air temperature, since snow won't stick if pavement stays above freezing.

AI Eliminates Constant Camera Watching - AI alerts can notify you when something important happens so you don't have to watch cameras constantly.

Customer Feedback Drives Better Products - Customer feedback drives the best product improvements, so manufacturers who listen create better solutions.

Minute-by-Minute Readings Prevent Misses - Taking temperature readings every minute prevents you from missing critical changes when conditions shift rapidly.

Burst Mode Shows Real Accumulation - Burst mode photo sequences show whether precipitation is actually accumulating or just passing through.

Five-Minute Forecast Updates Win - Forecasts that regenerate every five minutes using real site conditions are more accurate than static predictions.

Move Stations When Surfaces Change - Moving weather stations when properties change surfaces helps maintain accurate temperature readings and forecasts.

Evolve or Get Left Behind - Your competition is evolving, so you need to evolve too or risk being left behind.

Reflection Questions

Are you still making middle-of-the-night drives to check conditions when technology could eliminate those trips and let you sleep better?

Do you understand how different pavement surfaces on your properties behave in winter conditions, and are you making deployment decisions based on actual pavement temperature rather than just air temperature?

What feedback are you giving to your technology providers about what would make your job easier, and are you working with companies that actually listen and implement changes?

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