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The B2B Playbook

The B2B Playbook

By: Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris
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Selling Business to Business? Trying to do everything, but not sure if any of it works? We’re here to help! We're Kevin and George - digital marketing professionals who are here to share with you the RIGHT plan so you can get your amazing business growing online. We’ve waded through the noise, made the mistakes, and found what works so you don't have to. We also share tips, tricks and templates from our upcoming playbook and insights from successful people in the industry. If you’re in a B2B business and like to see your marketing work for you, then this is the podcast for you! Subscribe to get the latest from the B2B Playbook first. Join our CLUB of B2B owners and marketers on LinkedIn sharing their experiences https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13980317/ Want more? Check out our weekly articles on https://theb2bplaybook.com/ Remember, with the right plan, anyone can grow their business online!Copyright 2026 Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • #223: ChatGPT Ads for B2B Marketing - Will They Work For Your Business?
    Mar 22 2026

    In this video, we break down what OpenAI's new ChatGPT ads mean for B2B marketers, and why it's probably not the performance channel you should be betting on in 2026.

    We cover:


    → The background behind OpenAI's push into advertising and why they're starting with B2C


    → Why ChatGPT ads are unlikely to impact B2B marketing anytime soon (ad-free business/enterprise tiers, limited tracking, shopping-focused formats)


    → How buyer discovery is shifting from search + social toward AI assistants


    → Our 3-point framework (based on the Five B's) to prepare your B2B marketing for the age of LLMs


    If you are a B2B founder or marketer wondering whether you should be spending on ChatGPT ads, or trying to figure out how to get your brand surfaced in AI-driven search results, this episode is for you.


    Tune in and learn:


    ✅ Why the fundamentals of trust-building and demand gen matter more than ever

    ✅ How to tighten your ICP messaging so LLMs actually surface your brand

    ✅ The content and distribution strategies that build organic visibility in ChatGPT

    ✅ How to set up measurement and UTM practices now so you're ready when B2B ads do arrive



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    🔗 Links + CTAs

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    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program:

    https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course


    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School:

    https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school


    💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads?

    https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency


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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 - Intro

    01:40 - What's happening with ChatGPT ads

    03:54 - Does AI make the Five B's Framework obsolete?

    07:06 - Why ChatGPT ads won't help B2B marketers yet

    13:49 - B2C vs B2B: Why OpenAI is targeting consumers first

    15:49 - The Five B's still stand the test of time

    16:00 - 3-point framework to prepare for ChatGPT ads

    16:08 - Step 1: Be Ready - tighten your ICP and messaging

    19:27 - Why LLM context makes ICP clarity even more critical

    20:42 - Step 2: Be Helpful - build trust with content at scale

    23:46 - Growth is about people, not platforms

    24:31 - Step 3: Be Seen - measurement, distribution, and experimentation 27:41 - Practical action points and repurposing strategy

    30:00 - Key takeaways and recap

    31:17 - Outro


    S08 E222 - The B2B Playbook

    #chatgpt #b2bmarketing #chatgptads

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    32 mins
  • #222: How This Startup Beat Big Brands - B2B2C Marketing Strategy - Alex Bedwani from PetsOnMe
    Mar 8 2026

    If you're competing against companies with massive marketing budgets, paid ads alone won’t win.

    In this episode of The B2B Playbook, we sit down with Alex Bedwani, founder of PetsOnMe, to unpack how he built growth using a B2B2C marketing strategy instead of competing head-to-head in B2C channels.

    In industries like insurance, the biggest brands dominate paid channels. They can outspend you on ads, outbid you on keywords, and convert better because people already trust them.

    So Alex took a different path.


    Instead of competing directly, he built partnerships with associations and corporations to distribute pet insurance to their employees and members.


    We break down exactly how the B2B2C strategy works, how to land partnerships, and how to activate them so they actually generate revenue.


    Tune in and learn:

    + Why competing head-on in B2C markets is often a losing game

    + How to use partnerships as a distribution channel

    + The activation tactics that turn partnerships into real revenue


    If you're a founder or marketer trying to grow in a competitive category, this episode will change how you think about distribution.


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    🔗 Links + CTAs

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    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course


    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school


    💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency


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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    00:00 Why Small Brands Lose in Paid Acquisition

    00:35 Competing Against Big Insurance Brands

    02:00 Why Alex Started PetsOnMe

    03:30 The Hidden Monopoly in Pet Insurance

    05:30 Why B2C Marketing Was Impossible to Win

    07:00 The Real Cost Advantage Big Brands Have

    09:00 The Pivot: Discovering the B2B2C Marketing Strategy

    10:00 What B2B2C Looks Like in Practice

    12:50 Turning Pet Insurance Into an Employee Benefit

    15:00 Finding the Right Corporate Partners

    17:00 Why Signing the Partnership Is Only 10% of the Work

    19:00 The Key to Getting HR Managers Interested

    20:50 The Fitness First Example of B2B2C Growth

    22:00 How to Stay Top of Mind With Corporate Partners

    24:00 The 3-Way Win That Makes B2B2C Work

    26:00 The Due Diligence Corporates Will Do On You

    28:00 Activating Members After the Partnership Is Signed

    29:00 Creative Activation: The Cutest Dog Competition

    31:00 Why Data Is Harder in B2B2C Partnerships

    33:00 Using Events and Talks to Drive Signups

    35:00 Why Face-to-Face Still Converts Best

    36:30 Personalised Marketing That Converts

    39:00 Managing 70+ Partnerships Without Chaos

    40:00 When to Kill a Partnership Quickly

    42:00 The Most Important Rule in B2B2C Partnerships

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    👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team??


    💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??)


    Get the:

    🔹 strategy

    🔹 templates

    🔹 tools


    So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand.


    See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator


    Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course


    S08 E222 - The B2B Playbook

    #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #demandgeneration #b2b2c #partnerships

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    48 mins
  • #221: How to Measure Brand Marketing in B2B (Without Guessing) - Matt Maynard from Asana
    Mar 2 2026

    If you’ve ever struggled to defend brand budget in a performance-obsessed company — this episode is for you.

    We sat down with Matt Maynard, VP of Brand Advertising & Comms at Asana, to break down how brand actually drives growth — and how to measure it properly inside a B2B business.


    This isn’t theory. It’s a practical framework for small teams trying to prove brand works.


    We unpack:

    - Why brand keeps losing to performance

    - Why “consideration” is usually measured wrong

    - How to use Category Entry Points (CEPs)

    - The 95:5 rule explained simply

    - And how to measure mental availability without a massive budget


    Tune in and learn:

    - Why growth is driven by memory, not persuasion

    - The 3 brand metrics every B2B team should track

    - How to turn brand into a performance engine


    If you’re in a B2B team trying to punch above your weight, this is mandatory viewing.


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    🔗 Links + CTAs

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    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course


    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school


    💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency


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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    00:00 Why Brand Keeps Losing Budget in B2B

    02:10 Brand vs Performance: Vibes vs System

    04:00 Why Finance Doesn’t Fund “Brand”

    07:10 The Science Behind How Brands Actually Grow

    10:00 Brand = Memory (Not Campaigns)

    12:30 Why Loyalty & Word of Mouth Don’t Drive Growth

    14:00 What Are Category Entry Points (CEPs)?

    17:00 Why Small Brands Grow Slower

    20:30 How to Measure Brand Properly in B2B

    25:00 Breaking Consideration Into 3 Metrics

    30:00 Measuring Brand Without a Big Budget

    31:40 The 95:5 Rule Explained

    34:00 Brand Lift vs Vanity Metrics

    36:00 Brand & Performance Aren’t Enemies

    37:40 What Brand Teams Should Report

    41:10 Protecting Consistency

    43:00 The 3 Jobs of Brand Marketing

    44:50 How Small Teams Can Start Today


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    👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team??


    💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??)


    Get the:

    🔹 strategy

    🔹 templates

    🔹 tools


    So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand.


    See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator


    Check out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course


    S08 E221 - The B2B Playbook

    #b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #brandmarketing #demandgeneration

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    53 mins
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