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The Empire Builders Podcast

The Empire Builders Podcast

By: Stephen Semple and David Young
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  • #248: P.T. Barnum – You Must Capture Attention

    #248: P.T. Barnum – You Must Capture Attention
    Mar 18 2026
    P.T. Barnum realized very quickly that entertainment is currency and was one of the first to use outdoor mass media. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from Mom-and-Pop to major brands. Steven Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I’m Steven’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Tommy Cool A/C & Plumbing Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here and alongside Steven Semple. And if you were going to tell what Steven’s role is in this and what my role is in this, if we were going to use a theme that revolved around today’s topic, it would be Steven is the ringmaster in center ring. Stephen Semple: That’s where you’re going? Okay. Dave Young: And I’m like the chief clown driving the clown car because that’s where I’d rather be. We’re going to talk about Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey. Are we just talking about P.T. Barnum? Stephen Semple: We’re going to talk about P.T. Barnum because that’s really the origin of all of this is. Dave Young: P.T. Barnum. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: I mean, what a guy. And I’ve never read a biography or anything, but what I know is, I’m guessing that he maybe invented the three-ring circus, but it’s the kind of thing where, man, to me, what he invented was just constant distraction. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: Right? Like you go to a three-ring circus, it’s just going to be you’re going to be constantly distracted because you can’t see everything that happens in a three-ring circus. Stephen Semple: It’s true. Dave Young: And so there’s so many examples. We can talk about those. I’ll let you get going because I would just talk about all this stuff. Stephen Semple: Well, here’s the interesting thing. There’s a lot of historians who believe that his was the first use of mass outdoor advertising in America. Dave Young: Okay. That, I believe. Stephen Semple: Right? Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: That he really invented the use of that as a medium. Couple of interesting things he went through. So his full name is Phineas Taylor Barnum, and he was born in Bethel, Connecticut in 1810. And he wasn’t born wealthy or talented or connected, but he kind of knew that attention was a form of currency. And it’s kind of interesting when we think about the world today with social media and things along that lines, attention is a form of currency. Dave Young: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Stephen Semple: And by the age of 12, he was selling snacks, lottery tickets, anything he could do to make a buck. And he was quoted as saying, “I’m a showman by profession and all the gilding shall make nothing else of me,” right? Like he just basically saw those things. So his first commercial breakthrough, and it was also pretty controversial, was promoting Joice Heth, a Black woman, that he marketed as George Washington’s 161-year-old nurse. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Guess what? It was not true. Dave Young: Well, so what year was this? When was this? Stephen Semple: 1835. Dave Young: Good grief. 1835. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Yeah. But, but he was this relentless promoter who believed if there’s no story, there’s no audience. So the next thing he did was what he called the American Museum, and this started in 1841, ran from 1841 to 1865. And basically in 1841, he bought Scudder’s American Museum, and he renamed it Barnum’s American Museum in New York. And basically, again, this is considered one of the very first modern mass entertainment facilities, and here’s what he did. He exhibited things of science, oddity, theater, stunts. There was new attractions weekly, so people had to come back. And there was live performances like the General Tom Thumb, magicians, and the first use of mass outdoor advertising, went all around New York City putting up billboards, pasting billboards up all over the city. And on peak days, it’s reported that on peak days, he drew 15,000 people into a single building without electricity, AC, or ...
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    17 mins
  • #247: He-Man – I Have The Power

    #247: He-Man – I Have The Power
    Mar 11 2026
    After Mattel took a loss on the Clash of the Titans toys the almost did it again with Conan the Barbarian. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not so secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I’m Stephen’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Handyside Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here alongside Steven Semple, and we’re talking about empires, empires. And Steven whispered the subject of today’s empire in my ear, and I would’ve been hard-pressed to call it an empire because I don’t know all that much about it. But I think again, it’s cartoon property that happened after I was pretty much done watching cartoons. He-Man, right? As in He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, that He-Man? Stephen Semple: That He-Man. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: That He-Man. When you think about it, it’s toys. There’s been movies. There’s the cartoon. It’s pretty huge. Dave Young: Yeah. Okay. I’m anxious to hear about it. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: And is he the one that’s become kind of a meme, too? Like, there’s He-Man meme? Stephen Semple: Oh, sure. Oh, look, there’s a meme for everything today. So it’s really a story of lost opportunities, but at the same time, sort of seeing changes in the marketplace and doing some really interesting things because in 1975, The Six Million Dollar Man really changes action figures. Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: Because to make an action figure, you’re only licensing from others, and it was product-orientated rather than brand-driven, and along came The Six Million Dollar Man, and it was a guy. Right? Dave Young: I mean, we were all running around going… Stephen Semple: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dave Young: Pretend we could see, and hear, and lift things. Stephen Semple: Yeah. And along that time, out was coming the movie, The Clash of the Titans. And so there was this whole thing of, okay, let’s create action figures around Clash of the Titans. And the movie did poorly. And so the toys did poorly. And Mattel had been involved in that. And this shaped Mattel’s thinking because when Star Wars came along, Ray Wagner at Mattel passed on it because of his experience with Clash of the Titans. It’s like, “Well, we’re not doing this.” Dave Young: Wow, okay. Stephen Semple: Because again, they wanted to create the toy, right? The Star Wars they wanted to create the toys before the movie came out. So another movie comes along, Conan the Barbarian. Dave Young: Sure. Yeah. Stephen Semple: Right? And Mattel is like, “All right, we’re going to get all over this.” And they end up buying the license for Conan. They made samples, and they had all these expenses, and then Mattel discovers Conan the Barbarian is an R-rated movie. Dave Young: Yeah. No kids are going to see it. Stephen Semple: Can’t do it as a toy. Dave Young: Oh, no. Stephen Semple: But at the same time, they sort of started looking at all of these action figures that are out there, and all of the male figures are kind of wimpy. And they had started down this exploration of making a Conan the Barbarian style action figure. So they thought, why don’t we do this massive figure? And they first did these ones called Tankhead, and Bullet Head, and H-Man. And they wanted them to be comic book-like and bring action to the figure and how they stand. And they were making them bulkier and create this visual shelf presence and over-the-top muscles, all these ideas that they had drawn from Conan the Barbarian. Dave Young: All right. Stephen Semple: And what they also noticed is that when kids play with things, they want to have the power to do what they want to do. Dave Young: Absolutely. Stephen Semple: Which is where the line, “I have the power,” came from. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Where Conan holds up the sword, and he says, “Oh, I have the power.” Right? That whole idea came from watching kids play with toys. And in fact, a lot of the ideas that ...
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    13 mins
  • #246: Firestone & Goodyear – Innovation By Competition

    #246: Firestone & Goodyear – Innovation By Competition
    Mar 4 2026
    Two start-ups a couple of years apart became the inspiration for each other to get better and better and better. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from Mom-and-Pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I’m Steven’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us. But we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients, so here’s one of those. [AirVantage Heating & Cooling Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the … Wait, what? Gosh, you told me the title, and I have some thoughts, and I forgot the name of the podcast there for a second. Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. Stephen Semple: We’re doing two together here, Dave, Firestone and Goodyear. Dave Young: Stephen Semple’s over there. I’m Dave Young. And this morning we’re talking about Goodyear and Firestone, both? Stephen Semple: Yes, together. Dave Young: Because it’s kind of one thing now, right? Stephen Semple: No, they are separate. Dave Young: Was it? Stephen Semple: They’re separate. Dave Young: No, they’re separate. Stephen Semple: The story is so intertwined between the two of them. I couldn’t figure out a way to break it. But it’s almost kind of like when we did Hertz Avis, like they’re so interlinked. Dave Young: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stephen Semple: Yeah. So we’re doing it as a single podcast, the two of them. Dave Young: All right. Where do we start? Stephen Semple: Well, what’s interesting is they were both started within two years of each other, both in Akron, Ohio. So Goodyear was founded on August 28th, 1898 in Akron, Ohio by Frank Seiberling. And today they’re the third-largest tire maker in the world with about 18 billion in sales. And Firestone was founded in August, two years later by Harvey Firestone in Akron, Ohio. And in 1988, Firestone was purchased by Bridgestone for $2.6 billion. Dave Young: That’s the one. That’s the one I was [inaudible 00:02:51] yeah. Stephen Semple: Yeah, and Bridgestone today is number two behind Michelin with Goodyear being number three. So both really, really big, really big companies. Dave Young: And in 18 when? Stephen Semple: So 1898 was Goodyear, and 1900 was Firestone. Dave Young: And this is before, this is before mass production of automobiles. Stephen Semple: Yes. Yes. Because if you go back to Episode 35 where we talk about Ford, 1908 is the Model T. So it’s pre-model T. Dave Young: Yeah. So which came first, the tire or the car? Stephen Semple: Well, because there were tires on carriages. Dave Young: No, that’s true. All right. Stephen Semple: And today Michelin is the largest in the world. So if you want to learn about Michelin, go back to Episode 27, because it’s also really interesting how Michelin grew their business. But so we’re dealing with Goodyear and Firestone. Dave Young: All right. So Goodyear- Stephen Semple: And if you think about it, you’re right. Most of the transportation at this time when these companies started were either horse-and-carriage or bicycles. That’s what basically people were using. And Harvey Firestone, he grew up on a farm and went to a business school and was a carriage salesman in Detroit. And at this time, the use of natural rubber is expanding due to vulcanization being created. Because before vulcanization, natural rubber was not very durable. It would crack and all these other things. And carriage wheels were basically a wood wheel with a metal rim around it, no give, a hard ride. Dave Young: Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, even a rim made of rubber would be better than a rim made of steel. Stephen Semple: Right. So basically he’s a carriage salesman. What he realizes is that what we should do is we should put rubber, instead of steel around the wheel, and that would make a smoother ride. So he leaves Detroit, moves to Akron, Ohio, because Akron, Ohio at the time is the center of the rubber industry. Dave Young: Okay. Why is that? Stephen Semple: I think it had to do with just the fact there was a couple of companies that sprung up in the area. There was the resources in terms of water and a few things along that lines. Dave Young: And the rubber ...
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    22 mins
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