Meet the eldest of Suzanne's 9 grandchildren!

William Alexander Schewee IV, enneagram 4, joins the show with his uncle and a couple of grandparents, including of course, the Enneagram Godmother.

You'll learn about "Bros' Nights", the differences and similarities between fours and sevens, our different ways of connection including: how do you respond to people singing happy birthday to you?!

And remember, hope will not leave you disappointed!

PLUG TIME:

• Joey Stabile Schewee's new book, "When Working Together Doesn't Work" is now available everywhere books are sold! Grab your copy and show her some love with a review and rating.
• The Enneagram AND...marches on. Next up is Colorado Springs with the great KJ Ramsey and The Enneagram AND Trauma. Get your tickets to join in person or online by visiting lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Join us in escorting The Micah Center on to the next plain.

Suzanne, Joe, and Hunter sit down for one final conversation at The Micah Center, the home of LTM for the past 20 years.

As you'll hear in the intro, this episode is heavy on the "Journey" aspect of the podcast and light on any "enneagram" talk. Suzanne and Joe always are quick to say that the enneagram is just a tool. A GREAT tool, but just one. The Micah Center was so much more than a tool. It became a safe space for thousands of people to go to.

Stay hard Micah Center!

If The Micah Center means something to you, or had an impact on your life, we would love to hear about it. CLICK HERE to leave a voicemail sharing some Micah Center love or memories.

Ready to join the Enneagram AND tour 2026?! The first event is at the end of January, and we're continuing on into the summer.

The Enneagram AND Parenting

The Enneagram AND Spirituality

The Enneagram AND Truama

The Enneagram AND Your Body

The Enneagram AND Stress

Join live or join us virtually online for great teaching with a great group of teachers.

CLICK HERE TO JOIN THE ENNEAGRAM AND TOUR 2026 OR LEARN MORE

The Merton Prayer:

Today's Intro:

• From the original Enneagram Journey Curriculum
• "Tha Crossroads" by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (Ruthless)
• (outro) "I wouldn't take nothin' for my journey", Live at Studio C (Gaither Studios)

The Enneagram Journey may be recording next at your local Hilton! Maybe not, but this episode was fun to record at Joel's hotel room when LTM travelled to Charlotte, NC for a workshop. Kim Honeycutt (8) and Larissa Miller (4) join the show to talk about their relationship, their journey, justice, and what do you know about polyvagal theory?

You can find out more about what Kim and Larissa are up to at icutalks.org, watershedcharlotte.com and kimhoneycutt.com

PLUG TIME!!!!

The Enneagram AND 2026 Tour is around the corner!

The Enneagram and Parenting in Nashville, TN - The Enneagram and Spirituality in Jackson, MS - The Enneagram and Trauma in Colorado Springs, CO - The Enneagram and Your Body in Minneapolis, MN - The Enneagram and Stress in California.

Join us in person, or join us online virtually!

Get all of the important information and registration at lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Today's Intro:

• The Waterboy (1998, Touchstone Pictures)
• Bob's Burgers (s15, e1 FOX)
• Breaking Bad (s4, e6 AMC)