In this episode, Brook sits down with family law attorney Kelli Avallone to unpack the tricky dynamics of covert narcissism in custody battles and high-conflict divorces. They explore why labeling a co-parent as a narcissist can backfire, how courts really view psychological evaluations, and why focusing on evidence-based behavior is more effective than diagnosis. Kelli shares what covert narcissistic traits can look like in family court and how parents can respond strategically while keeping children out of the conflict.

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In this episode, Brook Olsen is joined once again by Dr. Craig Malkin, author of Rethinking Narcissism, to explore the lesser-known counterpart to narcissism: echoism. Through the lens of Greek mythology and modern psychology, they unpack how those who fear being "too much" often find themselves entangled in toxic dynamics with narcissistic partners. Dr. Malkin explains how echoism—marked by self-silencing, people-pleasing, and a fear of taking up space—is a survival response rooted in early family systems. Together, they discuss how cultivating healthy anger, reclaiming agency, and practicing mindful disengagement can break the cycle of negative intimacy and lead to lasting change. A must-listen for anyone navigating high-conflict relationships or healing from emotionally abusive dynamics.

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In this episode Brook speaks with guest Forest Bronzon from Digital Detox. Forest is the CEO of Digital Detox whose goal and purpose is to educate parents, schools and children in the differing ways to use the digital environment in a healthy and connected manner. During divorce and high conflict custody battles it is often hard to navigate boundaries regarding electronics and rules are often different and opposite in each house. Forest discuss some of the ways to help children and parents navigate the ever evolving landscape of the digital world. Digital Detox offers many resources to help. Enjoy!!! https://www.digitaldetox.com/

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