• From Eastern Mysticism to the Catholic Church w/ David Mendoza | S3 E4
    Mar 16 2026

    In this episode of The Normal Christian Life, Fr. Michael and Fr. Christopher sit down with David Mendoza to hear his powerful testimony of encountering God in dramatic ways — and how those encounters ultimately led him back to the Catholic Church.

    David grew up in a Catholic family and experienced moments of God’s presence even as a child. But as a teenager he drifted away from the faith, becoming involved in drugs, partying, martial arts culture, and Eastern mystical practices.

    Despite running from God, the Lord continued pursuing him.

    David shares incredible moments along his journey — including supernatural encounters, prophetic dreams, experiences of the Holy Spirit, healing prayer, and powerful moments of evangelization where God used him to reach people in unexpected places.

    Yet even after encountering the power of the Holy Spirit in charismatic and Protestant communities, David felt a growing hunger for something more: the fullness of the sacraments and the historic Church founded by Christ.

    Through studying Scripture and the early Church Fathers, David eventually discovered that the Church Christ established still exists today in the Catholic Church.

    In this conversation, David shares:

    • His childhood encounters with God

    • How sin and Eastern mysticism pulled him away from the faith

    • Powerful supernatural experiences after returning to prayer

    • His journey through charismatic Protestant ministry

    • The role of the Holy Spirit in leading him to truth

    • How the Church Fathers convinced him of Catholicism

    • Why the Mass and the sacraments completed his faith

    This episode is a powerful reminder that God never stops pursuing us, even when we wander far from Him.

    And sometimes the Holy Spirit leads us through a long journey — only to bring us home.

    00:00 Meet David Mendoza 02:07 Childhood Faith Sparks 03:40 Teenage Double Life 07:40 Martial Arts And Mysticism 11:15 Providence Meets His Wife 12:45 Leaving Mass For Baptist 14:21 Hunger For Holy Spirit 16:38 Seven Day Fast Fire 20:20 Healing And Prophetic Gifts 27:11 Word Of Knowledge Lessons 28:49 Spirit-Led Ministry Shift 30:05 Hunger for Sacraments 30:56 Charismatic Episcopal Bridge 32:38 Church Fathers Conviction 34:05 Sacramental Love Story 35:46 Cain and Abel Challenge 37:33 Back to Rome Fulfilled 37:54 Charismatic and Hierarchical 40:40 God Uses Imperfect Vessels 42:57 Apple Tree Growth Analogy 47:47 Confession and Prophecy 49:18 Eucharist Desire and Sacrifice 53:34 Unity and Renewal Call 01:01:58 Final Blessing and Prayer
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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Reduced to Sonship: How God Reveals Your True Identity w/Mike Nolan | S3 E3
    Feb 16 2026
    The hosts welcome back Mike Nolan for a conversation on Christian identity—why it matters today, how it appears in Scripture, and why it often doesn’t move from head knowledge to lived experience. They discuss identity as something primarily imparted through prayer, encounter, and relationships with people living as beloved sons and daughters, rather than merely taught. They explore common obstacles like the orphan mindset, performance and success-based self-worth, shame, and problem-centered spirituality. Then they explain how God dismantles false identities through pruning, suffering, and seasons of desolation. Finally, they reflect on the role of emotions in forming identity, clarify the difference between humility and low self-esteem, and emphasize that mission flows from relationship with God.
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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • Beyond Being Nice: The Christian Difference in Love w/ Mike Nolan | S3 E2
    Jan 26 2026

    What does it actually mean to love—not just in theory, but in real life?

    In this episode, Fr. Michael Trummer is joined by Fr. Christopher Trummer and Mike Nolan for a deep, honest conversation on love (charity) as the greatest theological virtue. Moving beyond clichés and sentimentality, they explore why love is both a gift of grace and something we must actively cooperate with—and why knowing about love is very different from actually living it.

    The conversation touches on:

    • Why love is the only virtue that endures into heaven
    • How love is fulfilled not by doing more, but by delighting in the other
    • The difference between Christian love and merely “being nice”
    • Why loving difficult people is essential for spiritual growth
    • How unhealed wounds and failure to receive love make loving others so hard
    • The relationship between agape (self-giving love) and eros (delight and desire)
    • Why heaven is not a glorified vacation—but perfect communion

    This episode challenges listeners to examine whether their love is rooted in busyness, duty, and performance—or in real communion, hope, and grace. It’s a practical, demanding, and deeply hopeful vision of love as preparation for heaven and participation in God’s own life.

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    00:00 Introduction to Theological Virtues

    00:58 The Paradox of Love and Grace

    02:07 Love in the Context of Faith and Hope

    03:38 The Uniqueness of Christian Love

    08:21 Love as Preparation for Heaven

    12:09 The Role of Emotions in Love

    22:43 The Challenge of Loving Difficult People

    25:55 Integrating Agape and Eros

    41:35 Understanding Self-Agreement and Interior Brokenness

    42:26 The Difficulty of Receiving Love

    42:48 The Trinity and the Nature of Love

    44:05 The Impact of Being Loved

    44:43 The Heart Magnifies What It Receives

    47:36 The Role of Security in Love

    48:41 Experiencing True Friendship and Love

    54:48 The Importance of Hope in Love

    59:19 Patience and the Unveiling of Love

    01:06:36 The Impossible Vocation of Love

    01:11:55 The Necessity of Gentleness in Love

    01:17:04 Closing Thoughts and Prayer

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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Faith That Endures: Trusting God Through Doubt, Suffering, and Silence w/ Katie O'Donnell | S3 E1
    Jan 17 2026

    What is faith—really?

    In this episode of The Normal Christian Life, we continue our series on the theological virtues by exploring faith: what it is, what it isn’t, and why it cannot be reduced to intellectual agreement or apologetics alone.

    This conversation unpacks:

    • Why biblical faith is relational and lived, not merely believed
    • How faith engages the whole person—mind, heart, will, and action
    • The proper role of reason in the life of faith
    • Why dryness, doubt, and desolation do not mean faith is failing
    • How God’s hiddenness can actually deepen trust
    • The importance of community, testimony, and perseverance

    Drawing from Scripture (especially Hebrews 11), the saints, and lived experience, we show that faith is not emotional hype or blind guessing—but a conviction that endures even when God feels absent.

    If you’ve ever wondered:

    • “Why doesn’t God feel close anymore?”
    • “Is my faith weak if I don’t feel anything?”
    • “How do I keep believing through suffering or silence?”

    This episode offers clarity, realism, and hope.

    Faith is a gift—and a response—that matures through trust, surrender, and perseverance.

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    00:00 Introduction to Theological Virtues

    02:17 Understanding Faith: Beyond Intellectual Assent

    06:25 Personal Faith Journeys

    09:48 Faith and Reason: A Harmonious Relationship

    13:12 Experiencing God: Faith and Feelings

    23:11 Faith in Action: Living Out Beliefs

    30:07 Struggles with Faith and Desolation

    31:44 Understanding God's Hiddenness

    34:58 The Role of Suffering in Faith

    50:35 The Importance of Community in Faith

    53:24 Evangelization and Personal Testimonies

    58:55 Concluding Thoughts and Prayer

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Hope Does Not Disappoint | S2 E30
    Dec 19 2025

    As the Church concludes the Jubilee Year of Hope, the hosts discuss the profound significance of hope in the Christian life. They explain that hope is more than just a feel-good sentiment, highlighting its roots as a theological virtue that is central to overcoming adversity and recognizing God's hand in the midst of trials. They offer practical ways to cultivate this virtue day by day, face unavoidable suffering with faith, and keep hope alive in the dark times. This conversation emphasizes that true hope is anchored in the character and promises of God, surpassing mere human optimism.

    00:00 Introduction to Hope

    00:13 The Theological Virtues

    01:12 A Poem on Hope

    03:01 Hope in Practice

    4:34 Hope Amidst Anxiety

    07:43 Hope as a Choice

    17:44 Hope and Suffering

    24:54 Hope Beyond This Life

    35:46 Acknowledging Discouragement and Hopelessness

    36:30 Signs of Lacking Hope

    37:25 The Importance of Dreaming with God

    38:58 Living with Hope and Avoiding Cynicism

    41:26 Balancing Grief and Hope

    59:51 Daily Habits to Cultivate Hope

    01:05:27 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • A Life Set Apart: The Beauty and Adventure of Holiness | S2 E29
    Dec 5 2025

    Join hosts Fr. Michael Trummer, Fr. Christopher Trummer, and Mary Bielski as they discuss what it truly means to be holy. This episode tackles the common misconception that holiness is boring and instead presents it as an adventurous pursuit of God. They explore how genuine holiness involves our humanity, unique personalities, and the transformation by God's grace. Be inspired by the call to live a life set apart and discover what makes sainthood appealing in today's world. Whether you're curious about holiness or seeking to deepen your spiritual journey, this conversation will embolden you to embrace the adventure of becoming a saint.

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    00:00 Introduction to Holiness

    01:36 The Call to Adventure

    03:17 Understanding True Holiness

    04:54 Inspiration from the Saints

    08:26 The Battle for Holiness

    23:15 Embracing Trials and Suffering

    34:35 The Radical Commitment to Holiness

    35:34 Inoculated Against Authentic Christianity

    36:02 The Joy of Following Christ Fully

    36:30 Living a Life in the Spirit

    37:47 The Process of Acquiring a Taste for God

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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • Being "Religious" Is a Good Thing | S2 E28
    Oct 28 2025
    In this episode, Father Michael Trummer and Father Christopher Trummer take on the often-misunderstood topic of religion—a word that many Christians today regard with suspicion. They acknowledge that much of the criticism directed at “being religious” arises from real problems: hypocrisy, self-reliance, transactional love, and an overemphasis on outward appearances. Yet, rather than dismissing religion altogether, the hosts argue that it is a divine reality—instituted by God in the Old Testament, fulfilled and transformed by Christ, and sustained in the life of the Church. They invite listeners to recover a renewed understanding of religion as a virtue: a purified way of relating to God through ordered worship, teaching, and community. 00:00 Introduction and Overview 00:35 Words and Semantics 01:55 Religion vs. Relationship 04:52 Criticisms of Religious Practices 12:36 Self-Reliance and Striving in Faith 28:30 The Virtue of Religion 33:19 Forgotten Passages and Jesus' Jewish Roots 34:15 Old Testament Laws and Christian Practices 37:05 The Early Christian Worship and Eucharist 39:17 Development of Christian Liturgy 45:25 Authority and Hierarchy in the Church 52:58 The Role of Rituals and Symbols in Worship 01:01:42 Closing Thoughts and Prayer
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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • Not Ashamed of the Gospel | S2 E27
    Oct 15 2025

    Join Fr. Christopher Trummer and Fr. Michael Trummer in a heartfelt discussion on the challenges and importance of boldly preaching the gospel in today's society. In light of recent political violence, including the assassination of conservative speaker Charlie Kirk, the hosts explore what it means to speak the truth, even when it leads to opposition. Drawing from the life of Jesus and various scriptures, they address the balance between being loving and proclaiming the truth. They also share personal experiences and practical advice on overcoming the fear of conflict and rejection. This episode encourages believers to be courageous in their faith and to rely on the Holy Spirit for boldness in standing up for what is right. Support Our Mission through Patreon – patreon.com/TheNCLPodcast 00:00 Introduction: The Challenge of Speaking the Truth 00:52 The Complexity of Love and Conflict 01:46 Temptations and Challenges for Priests 02:42 Reflecting on Charlie Kirk's Assassination 06:38 Jesus' Teachings on Persecution 08:30 Balancing Love and Boldness 13:01 The Role of Priests and Parents 14:42 The Importance of Moral Teachings 18:59 Living Boldly in Faith 44:12 Practical Advice for Overcoming Fear 51:47 Closing Thoughts and Prayer

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    54 mins