Episodes

  • 0203 | This is just the beginning

    0203 | This is just the beginning
    May 22 2025
    Wherein we blow up the entire investigation...
    Halfway through writing this episode, something happened. An article, a map, and an IM chat changed the way we've been viewing this entire exploration and all of our research. There was a feeling we couldn't shake. The deeper we looked, the more questions we had. And we realized that this whole thing was bigger; so much bigger than we ever oculd have imagined. And so, we pressed pause and bounced into action. There is so much more to this story.
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    13 mins
  • 0202 | Ouroboros

    0202 | Ouroboros
    May 1 2025
    Steven Lorenzo's residential history leads Josh to Fort Lauderdale, where three gay men disappeared from the same apartment building sixteen years apart. Updates in one of those cases seem to make Lorenzo a very strong suspect. But where was Scott Schweickert, and is it possible the pair continued killing following the murders of Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz? Plus, two other Florida serial killers targeting gay men complicate the investigation.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Resources:
    • Florida State University
    • NAMUS
    • The Charley Project
    • American Addiction Centers
    • Pink News
    • AmFar
    • The National Library of Medicine
    • The Florida Department of Corrections
    • News-Press.com
    • Charlotte County Sheriff's Office
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Yehezkel Raz, Stanley Gurvich, and Benjamin Esterlis
    Featured music by: Choir Boy

    Patreon Producers: Amy Basil, Dale Akstin, Kendall C, Amelia Hancock, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton Whedon, Jen J, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Manolis Bouloukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Pink, Robin Wolfe, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Bethany Heintz, Carrie, Emily Paine, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Kate Lussier, Kathy Nation, Megan Inman, Rene LaPlante, Sabrina Abbot, Spooky, Tori Myers
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    38 mins
  • 0201 | 25 Men

    0201 | 25 Men
    Apr 24 2025
    In the second season premiere, Josh digs into two years’ of research into the lives and crimes of Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, in hopes of identifying other victims. A list of 25 missing and murdered men, across multiple jursidctions, launches a deep-dive investigation that examines the lives of these 25 men, Lorenzo & Schweickert, other area serial killers, intersectionality, homophobia, politics, and more.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Featuring:
    Albert Perkins

    Resources:
    • NAMUS.gov
    • CharleyProject.org
    • The Tampa Bay Times
    • The Tampa Tribune
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Tamuz Dekel, Grissly Bill, and Yehezkel Raz
    Featured music by: TV on the Radio

    Patreon Producers: Amy Basil, Dale Akstin, Kendall C, Amelia Hancock, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton Whedon, Jen J, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Manolis Bouloukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Pink, Robin Wolfe, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Bethany Heintz, Carrie, Emily Paine, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Kate Lussier, Kathy Nation, Megan Inman, Rene LaPlante, Sabrina Abbot, Spooky, Tori Myers
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    36 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces: Part Two | A Preview

    Unsafe Spaces: Part Two | A Preview
    Apr 4 2025
    Unsafe Spaces returns on April 24. This season, we continue our investigation into Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, and the missing and murdered men who may be connected to them. Our investigation takes us across the state of Florida, and into Georgia, Illinois, New York and beyond; and we find it intersects with several other serial killers who were targeting similar victims. Over six episodes, we try to make sense of these men, their crimes, and the 25+ missing and dead men who could be connected to them.

    Written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
    Featuring: Albert Perkins and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential)
    Music by: Neon Ridge
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    6 mins
  • 0107 | Oh, God

    0107 | Oh, God
    Feb 1 2024
    Season finale.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Featuring:
    Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
    Albert Perkins

    Resources:
    • Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
    • How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
    • The New York Times
    • The Harvard Political Review
    • The National Institutes for Health
    • The National Institues for Health
    • The American Psychological Association
    • The Harvard University Press
    • The Hill
    • The Trevor Project
    • The Human Rights Campaign
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Adi Goldstein
    Featured music by: Frank Ocean
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    28 mins
  • Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements

    Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements
    Jan 31 2024
    Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).

    This month's news:
    • New tours and events
    • Unsafe Spaces update
    • The Karen & Ellen Letters update
    • True Crime Bullsh** update
    • New projects
    • Our Americana update
    • Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October
    • What's happening on Patreon this month

    Links:
    • True Crime Podcast Festival, use promo code JOSH for 15% off
    • Studio BOTH/AND Patreon
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    4 mins
  • 0106 | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts

    0106 | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts
    Jan 25 2024
    To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
    Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

    Next episode: 1 February 2024

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Perfume Genius
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    1 hr and 17 mins
  • 0105 | Open Secret

    0105 | Open Secret
    Jan 11 2024
    At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
    Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

    Next episode: 25 January 2024

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Resources:
    • Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
    • The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
    • The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561
    Featuring:
    Albert Perkins

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
    Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright
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    1 hr and 1 min