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WTF is Business Casual

WTF is Business Casual

By: Rise Human Resources
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Buckle up for real HR stories that'll make you laugh, cringe, and thank your lucky stars you're not that guy.

WTF is Business Casual is the HR podcast where two seasoned consultants—Sarah Bursten and Jenny Lavey, co-founders of RiseHR—dish on wild workplace fails, toxic bosses, employee drama, and leadership gone wrong. With 35+ years of combined experience in HR, leadership development, and people management, they offer surprisingly useful advice wrapped in real talk and hilarious storytelling.

If you’re an HR professional, small business owner, people manager, or just someone who’s survived office politics, this show is for you.

Subscribe to WTF is Business Casual—because work is weird, leadership is messy, and people always be peopling.

Hosted by Sarah Bursten & Jenny Lavey | RiseHR
www.risehumanresources.com

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Episodes
  • What ‘Lack of Initiative’ Means (And Why Employees Get It Wrong)
    Mar 25 2026

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    This week, Jenny and Sarah break down one of the most misunderstood workplace complaints:

    “You lack initiative.”

    But what does that actually mean?

    Because to employees, it often sounds like:
    Work more. Stay later. Do extra. Don’t get paid for it.

    And to leaders, it usually means something completely different.

    This episode unpacks the gap between those two interpretations—and why it’s creating frustration on both sides.

    Using simple, real-world scenarios, they show the difference between task-based thinking and outcome-based thinking, and why that shift is what leaders are actually looking for.

    They also get into where things go wrong: unclear expectations, over-structured environments, and managers who forget they need to teach—not just expect.

    And yes… the Gen Z stare makes an appearance.

    What’s inside this episode:

    [00:00] What leaders mean when they say “initiative”
    [03:00] The viral example that perfectly explains task vs. outcome thinking
    [06:20] Why employees hear “initiative” as unpaid extra work
    [08:45] The role leaders play in setting clear expectations (“paint it done”)
    [10:00] How school and parenting shape workplace behavior
    [12:30] When initiative goes too far (and hurts your reputation)
    [15:30] The “Gen Z stare” and what it really signals
    [18:30] Interpersonal conflict: handle it yourself or escalate?
    [22:00] The difference between tattling and professional communication
    [24:45] Why managers hate the “boomerang” problem
    [27:30] Problem-solving: don’t bring just problems—bring thinking
    [31:00] When leaders say they want solutions but reject all of them
    [33:30] Why none of this is easy—and how it gets better over time

    This episode is about clarity. Because most people aren’t failing due to lack of effort.

    They’re failing because no one clearly defined what “good” actually looks like.

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    35 mins
  • Productivity at All Costs? The Workplace Obsession With “More With Less”
    Mar 11 2026

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    This week, Jenny and Sarah follow a strange rabbit hole that started with a podcast about the history of meth.

    Yes, really.

    The episode explored how stimulants were once used to push soldiers, pilots, and workers to stay awake longer and produce more. And it sparked a bigger question: why has the workplace always been obsessed with squeezing more productivity out of humans?

    More with less.
    Work harder.
    Sleep less.
    Grind.

    Sound familiar?

    What’s inside this episode:

    [03:30] The surprising history of productivity drugs and why they were originally used
    [06:45] Why workplaces have chased “more with less” for decades
    [10:20] The Uber leadership philosophy that openly promotes grind culture
    [15:10] When transparency about workload actually helps employees self-select out
    [18:40] The dangerous expectation that employees should care as much as founders
    [21:15] The difference between working hard and sacrificing your entire life to work
    [24:30] Why “work as hard as I do” is a flawed leadership mindset
    [27:00] The reality of corporate workloads and why “more with less” usually means something else gets dropped
    [30:15] The two leadership lessons every company should take from this conversation

    This episode isn’t about avoiding hard work.

    It’s about being honest about what work actually demands, and remembering that the people doing it are human.

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    34 mins
  • WTF Workplace Moments: AI Fails, Paycheck Glitches & Career-Limiting Questions
    Feb 25 2026

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    This week, Jenny and Sarah lean into the weird.

    They kick it off with an AI interview note-taker that accidentally sent a candidate the hiring team’s unfiltered commentary about other applicants. Yes, really. Including the not-so-flattering parts. It’s a cautionary tale about AI tools, privacy, and why you should absolutely lock down your settings.

    They also get into:

    • Employees being “forgotten” but still collecting paychecks
    • Why keeping money you know you shouldn’t have never ends well
    • The awkward rise of team lunch contributions and workplace gift pressure
    • Companies letting employees pull paychecks “on demand”
    • And the employee who asked a wildly off-topic sustainability question in an all-hands meeting… and was quietly gone weeks later

    The throughline? Just because you can say something doesn’t mean you should. Just because AI spits something out doesn’t mean it’s true. And just because nobody noticed doesn’t mean it won’t catch up to you.

    There’s humor. There’s mild outrage. There’s a reminder to make good choices.

    If you’ve ever sat in a meeting thinking, “WTF is happening right now?” this one’s for you.

    And if you’ve got your own workplace WTF moment, send it in. We’ll keep it anonymous.

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    41 mins
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