In the autonomous vehicle industry, credibility has long anchored in safety. But while safety is non-negotiable, it’s also an intangible baseline to drive adoption.

On the flip side, we see headlines dominated by miles driven and total revenue, metrics that often leave stakeholders wondering if the needle is being moved at all.

Bot Auto has decided to bypass the vanity metrics to obsess over a single, measurable, tangible bottomline: Cost Per Mile. By building a 'Transportation as a Service' model, they aren't just aiming to be safer; they’re aiming to prove that the way to win the autonomy race is to make it both safer and cheaper than the status quo.

Today, we're explore if this 'profit-first' philosophy is the key to unlocking true adoption. My guest Paul Lam, is CFO and Chief Strategy Officer at Bot Auto

On this podcast entirely focused on the massive Disruptions in Mobility, I always make it a point to ask: What does the "Human in the Loop" look like?

My guest today is building the answer to that question.

While the automation industries races to perfect Physical AI pouring Billions to make Technology smarter, Remotics is training the Human Behind it.

In fact, they may be the first company we’ve featured that is guaranteed to create more jobs than they displace.

Joining me is Sergio Oliveira, President and Chief Growth Officer of Remotics. His team leads a global service organization dedicated to implementing human intelligence at the very edge of Physical AI, ensuring that as machines move into our world, they do so with a human touch.

The traditional history of innovation follows a predictable script. New, transformative technology almost always starts as a luxury—a high-priced toy for early adopters.

Eventually getting adopted as aspirational consumers surge. Beep flips that script.

They take 'Space Age' technology of Autonomous Vehicles and putting it to work right now where it’s needed most: in our transit agencies, our universities, and our public squares.

They are solving the 'clunky' problems of the 'Old World'—congestion, labor shortages, and accessibility—by making high-tech transit a public utility rather than a private privilege.

I am joined today by Toby McGraw, Chief Revenue Officer at Beep and one of the foremost experts on Transport Systems