In the autonomous vehicle industry, credibility has long anchored in safety. But while safety is non-negotiable, it’s also an intangible baseline to drive adoption.

On the flip side, we see headlines dominated by miles driven and total revenue, metrics that often leave stakeholders wondering if the needle is being moved at all.

Bot Auto has decided to bypass the vanity metrics to obsess over a single, measurable, tangible bottomline: Cost Per Mile. By building a 'Transportation as a Service' model, they aren't just aiming to be safer; they’re aiming to prove that the way to win the autonomy race is to make it both safer and cheaper than the status quo.

Today, we're explore if this 'profit-first' philosophy is the key to unlocking true adoption. My guest Paul Lam, is CFO and Chief Strategy Officer at Bot Auto

On this podcast entirely focused on the massive Disruptions in Mobility, I always make it a point to ask: What does the "Human in the Loop" look like?

My guest today is building the answer to that question.

While the automation industries races to perfect Physical AI pouring Billions to make Technology smarter, Remotics is training the Human Behind it.

In fact, they may be the first company we’ve featured that is guaranteed to create more jobs than they displace.

Joining me is Sergio Oliveira, President and Chief Growth Officer of Remotics. His team leads a global service organization dedicated to implementing human intelligence at the very edge of Physical AI, ensuring that as machines move into our world, they do so with a human touch.

The traditional history of innovation follows a predictable script. New, transformative technology almost always starts as a luxury—a high-priced toy for early adopters.

Eventually getting adopted as aspirational consumers surge. Beep flips that script.

They take 'Space Age' technology of Autonomous Vehicles and putting it to work right now where it’s needed most: in our transit agencies, our universities, and our public squares.

They are solving the 'clunky' problems of the 'Old World'—congestion, labor shortages, and accessibility—by making high-tech transit a public utility rather than a private privilege.

I am joined today by Toby McGraw, Chief Revenue Officer at Beep and one of the foremost experts on Transport Systems

While everyone’s looking at robotaxis on sunny boulevards, Forterra is busy where the asphalt ends. 🌲🪖

Forget predictable lane lines. We’re talking about "GPS-denied," high-consequence environments where "edge cases" aren't the exception—they’re the entire job description.

From Defense to Commercial Heavy Logistics, Forterra is building autonomous systems for worlds where roads don't even exist and failure isn't an option.

Joining me on this special is Andy Sussman, who leads Commercial Growth at Forterra. Andy’s career spans the trifecta of Trucking, Logistics, and Mapping (he even owns and sells ski resort maps—talk about navigating tough terrain!). ⛷️🗺️

He is exactly the person to explain why the future of autonomous fleets isn't just on our streets, but in the rugged frontiers where the GPS goes dark.

The frontier to Mobility is currently blocked by a massive financial and technical bottleneck.

Training an autonomous vehicle or any autonomous system on the infinite list of edge cases is prohibitively expensive and technically complex.

And hence new market launches can often take more than a year.

What if you could compress that entire year into twenty-four hours?

I talk to Balint Pasztor from Diffuse Drive. Diffuse Drive is looking to bypass the physical data bottleneck through creating troves of photorealistic video replacing the grueling need for manual sensor processing.

Could it just be the key to democratizing the AV industry?

For decades, the auto industry was obsessed with the moment of sale. You built it, sold it, and moved on.

But the "one-and-done" era is dying. Today, the first purchase is just the opening act

My next guest is truly an expert on the Lifecycle of a Car.

Hakan Dogu is widely considered one of the Top 0.1% of the most influential executives in the Auto industry. He previously served as the SVP Of Aftersales for the Renault group and the CEO of Renault Turkey and also helped form the Renault Nissan Mitsubishi alliance where he pioneered the shift from volume to value.

When Hakan sees a car, he does not see a price point, but looks at it insteas as a 15 year asset.

My next guest is truly moving the needle beyond the “experiment” phase of self-driving cars, focusing instead on providing a luxury-grade user experience that treats the passenger as an esteemed guest rather than a Rider.

Shalin James Anto is the Founder and CEO of Pliyt, a revolutionary design for the car of the future.

With a background deep in Safety and Interior Design of vehicles including stints at Tesla, Shalin is now working on ensuring the rideshare of the future feels like First Class travel -

One Vehicle Four Pods.

Most people see a bus, a bike lane, or a bridge and think about getting from A to B. But my guest Peter Schenkman sees it as the circulatory system of the global economy.

Peter is a titan in the world of urban planning and a leading voice on Mobility as an Economic Engine.

Peter argues that transport isn’t just a public utility; it is the primary driver of social mobility, labor market density, and GDP growth.

When we move people better, we create wealth faster.

Today, we dive into why the most successful cities of the future won't just be the smartest—they'll be the most fluid.