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Five with Fry

Five with Fry

By: Dr. Jen Fry
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Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.

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  • S2 Ep9: Conflict Isn't the Villain
    Mar 10 2026

    This season kept coming back to the same place: leadership starts with self. Not with strategy. Not with authority. With your patterns.

    Conflict does not come out of nowhere. Your responses were shaped long before this role, this team, or this title. Family systems, early authority, and unspoken rules taught you what felt safe, what felt risky, and what felt necessary when tension showed up. If you do not know what you learned, you will keep calling your reflexes leadership.

    Across this season, we talked about what it takes to slow that reflex down. Self-awareness as a real advantage. Triggers and emotional regulation as leadership skills. The stories you tell yourself before you ever ask a question. The difference between defending and being defensive. Who is actually allowed to tell you the truth. And why trust grows when people own impact instead of pretending nothing happened.

    This recap is a reminder that conflict is not the problem. The problem is running the same pattern without examining it. If this season stayed with you, go back and sit with the episodes that hit a nerve. And if your team needs help doing this work together, I also offer keynotes, workshops, and facilitation. Let's chat.

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    6 mins
  • S2 Ep8: "I’m Sorry You Felt That Way" is a Trash Apology
    Mar 3 2026

    Repair is where leadership gets exposed.

    Not when things are smooth. Not when the meeting goes well. After you interrupt someone. After you dismiss a concern. After you get it wrong.

    Most leaders don’t struggle with saying “I’m sorry.” They struggle with what happens next. The explanation comes quickly. The intent gets clarified. The wording sounds mature. But the impact remains untouched.

    When you center your intent, you shift the conversation away from the harm and toward protecting your image. And if you’re focused on intent, you’re not focused on impact.

    Real repair requires naming what you did and how it landed, without disclaimers. It’s uncomfortable because it forces you to sit with your part. But that’s where credibility is built. Not through perfection. Through ownership.

    If you lead people, this one matters. Repair isn’t dramatic. It’s specific. And it shapes the culture more than any policy ever will.

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    5 mins
  • S2 Ep7: How Fast Will They Tell You You’re Wrong?
    Feb 24 2026

    Leaders love to say their door is always open. That sounds generous. It also keeps you comfortable.

    Power doesn’t disappear because you’re approachable. It shows up in who has to walk toward you. It shows up in who speaks first in meetings. It shows up in how long someone pauses before telling you your idea is off.

    The real measure isn’t access. It’s speed. How quickly can someone tell you you’re wrong? If people need to rehearse, coordinate, or nominate the “right” messenger, that tells you something about the environment you’ve built. When truth slows down, innovation slows down with it.

    We get into the reflex that blocks it. The sigh. The tightened face. The subtle defense that flashes across your body before you say a word. And what it takes to build a culture where correction happens in real time, not in the hallway after.

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    5 mins
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