In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with his longtime friend Wes Martin — the first friend Jeff ever shared his struggle with.

Wes had a front row seat to the earliest and most fragile days of Jeff learning how to bring his story into the light. What started as an awkward and uncertain conversation between two friends eventually grew into something much deeper. During some of Jeff’s darkest moments, when the weight of shame and confusion left him feeling hopeless and even questioning if life was worth living, Wes and his wife Amanda stepped in with extraordinary care.

They didn’t have all the answers. But they offered what mattered most: presence, love, and a safe place to land. At one point they even opened their home to Jeff, making sure he wasn’t alone as he wrestled through those difficult days.

Together they reflect on the messy beginnings of vulnerability — what it’s like to tell someone your struggle for the first time, how imperfect those early conversations can be, and how real friendship often means figuring it out as you go.

This episode is a reminder that when honesty is met with deep relationship and love, even the most complicated and painful moments can become the starting point for something beautiful.

If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to take that first step of letting someone into your struggle, this conversation is for you.

In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant.

This conversation is far more than a reunion. Drew has walked with Jeff and Jourdan since the very beginning of their story — through dating, breakups, Jeff’s early confession of struggling with same-sex attraction, their engagement, and now decades of marriage and ministry. Few people have had such a front-row seat to their journey.

Together, they unpack:

• What it looked like for Jeff to first share his struggle with Drew

• How a friendship can remain steady, safe, and non-transactional in the face of vulnerability

• Why curiosity — not condemnation — creates space for transformation

• How the Church can better engage conversations around same-sex attraction

• What to say to someone who hates themselves for their struggle

• The difference between leading with conviction and leading with love

• Why obedience is a response to love — not a prerequisite for it

Drew shares how curiosity became a guiding compass in his life — from studying psychology, to performing as a magician, to planting a church, to rediscovering humility after becoming the “expert.” He explains how losing curiosity nearly cost him relational depth — and how reclaiming it reshaped his marriage, ministry, and friendships.

One of the most moving moments comes as Drew reflects on Jesus and the woman caught in adultery — reminding listeners that God is not thrown off by our brokenness. He does not lead with condemnation. He leads with love, and invites us into transformation from there.

For parents navigating a child’s confession.

For those wrestling with shame.

For pastors unsure how to step into this conversation.

For anyone who feels like their struggle defines them.

This episode is an invitation into the “messy middle” — where truth and grace are not enemies, where curiosity builds bridges, and where the love of Jesus becomes the starting place for real change.

It’s about friendship.

It’s about freedom.

It’s about learning that none of us are as alone — or as different — as we think.

And above all, it’s about the kind of love that stays.

For more information on Drew’s ministry or to order his book, visit www.drewworsham.com

This week on Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with the two guys he walks with most closely in Atlanta, Bryson and Kristian, for a “guys-only” conversation (ladies, you’re absolutely invited to listen too). After last week’s episode with both couples, the three of them go deeper into the real question so many people ask: What do your weekly accountability time(s) actually look like?

They unpack their 10-year friendship journey, how it started, how trust was built over time, and why you can’t manufacture deep community overnight. You’ll hear the practical rhythms that keep them anchored: putting it on the calendar, moving from casual catch-up into honest heart-level sharing, asking specific questions, naming blind spots, and learning how to confess quickly without spiraling into shame.

They also talk about what happens when life gets busy and they can’t meet, how voice texts become a lifeline, and why this kind of friendship isn’t just about “trying harder,” but about living in the light, pursuing sanctification, and becoming better husbands, dads, and men who are ready to participate in what God is doing.

The episode closes with a prayer for anyone who feels alone, stuck, or unsure how to find community like this, asking God to break shame, provide friendships, and teach us how to walk with others well.

We’re kicking off a brand new series on community because we believe you were never meant to walk alone.

In this episode, we’re joined by our closest friends, Kristian & Kerri Stanfill and Bryson & Emily Vogeltanz, the couples we’ve done daily life with for over a decade. We laugh (a lot), tell some stories you’ve never heard, and open up about what it actually looks like to live known.

From the first vulnerable conversations…
to weekly rhythms of accountability…
to navigating tension, grief, big life transitions, and raising 11 kids among us…

We’re talking about:

• What happened when we shared our story for the first time

• How vulnerability changed everything

• The power of consistency in friendship

• Why real community is reciprocal (not a support group for one person)

• How to respond when someone trusts you with something hard

• And what it looks like to build friendships that last decades

This isn’t surface-level friendship.


This is showing up. Staying. Asking hard questions. Laughing until you cry.
And choosing depth over isolation.

If you’ve ever wondered what real accountability looks like…
If you’re craving deeper friendships…
Or if you’re trying to figure out how to take one step toward being more known…

This episode is for you.

Let’s talk about how we actually do life with our people.

It’s been a full season and today we’re catching you up.

In this episode, we share what life has actually looked like lately. From the conversations we’ve been having with listeners, to the pastoral moments we never expected, to the sheer number of messages from people who feel seen for the first time this season has been full.

We talk about what Open Spaces has quietly become: not just a podcast, but a place people are stepping into with their real stories.

We also share personal life updates from how we’re doing, what God has been teaching us, what has been heavy, what has been hopeful… and yes, somehow Jeff accidentally became a Scentfluencer on ShopMy along the way.

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In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what he would say to someone navigating same-sex attraction while pursuing Jesus. He unpacks the two key questions he always asks—“Where is this path leading?” and “Is that what you really want?”—as a starting point for anyone who wants to fight this struggle.

Drawing from his own journey, Jeff offers honest encouragement and practical guidance on how to walk the narrow road, including the role of discipline, accountability, and community. It’s a vulnerable and hope-filled conversation for anyone ready to take a next step.

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In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what it was like growing up with same-sex attraction (SSA) in a loving Christian home. Jourdan interviews him about early experiences, missed moments, and what he wishes might have been different. While neither claims to be a parenting expert, their honest conversation offers a rare window into the inner world of a child processing shame, secrecy, and identity. Together, they reflect on how parents can show up with grace, even when they don’t have all the answers.

If you’re a parent of a child navigating SSA, or someone looking to understand it better through a personal, faith-filled lens, this episode is for you. Jeff’s story reminds us that prayer, presence, and genuine love matter more than perfect words.

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In this powerful follow-up episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan respond to five of the most raw and frequently asked listener questions since releasing their story - including navigating marriage with same-sex attraction, building trust, staying vulnerable in ministry, and loving others with grace and conviction. They share honest reflections from their own journey and practical wisdom for anyone walking a similar path - whether you’re in ministry, in a relationship, or simply trying to understand how faith intersects with sexuality and identity.

The episode also dives deep into themes of obedience, shame, transparency, and what it truly means to be “yourself” when you’re following Jesus. With real talk about communication in marriage, parenting, church culture, and showing Christlike love to LGBTQ+ friends, this conversation offers a refreshing dose of clarity and compassion for a divided world.

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