It's Jordan's turn to host and he's got some AI companies he's not sure about...

Timestamps:

• (00:06) - Jordan's episode to host!
• (01:19) - Business update from Brian
• (05:45) - Justin's business update
• (14:09) - How Jordan advertises to his existing customers
• (21:50) - Jordan's business update
• (28:48) - Is Polsia fake or real?
• (40:47) - Adam Wathan announces ui.sh
• (58:12) - Is Delve AI compliance a scam?
• (01:14:45) - Where is OpenClaw today and what's the point?

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• GStack — Turn Claude Code into a Virtual Software Development Team
• Polsia — AI That Runs Your Company While You Sleep
• This AI generates $689K - Business Podcast for Startups
• ui.sh — Turn your terminal into a design engineer
• Stitch - Design with AI
• Basecamp — Basecamp CLI and Agent Skill: Agent first, agent native
• Delve | SOC 2 Compliance, HIPAA | Automated Compliance for AI, Startups | Get GDPR, ISO 27001, Cybersecurity Compliant & More | Delve Automated Compliance
• Delve - Fake Compliance as a Service - Part I
• Gusto | Online HR Services: Payroll, Benefits and everything else
• OpenClaw AI - Open Source AI Assistant | Formerly Clawdbot & Moltbot
• Claude

Brian, Justin, and Jordan talk about the opportunity costs in business decision-making, the impact of AI on marketing channels and strategies, and building custom internal tools with AI versus SaaS solutions.

Timestamps:

• (00:44) - Brian takes the lead
• (02:17) - Opportunity costs
• (17:29) - What is Brian's opportunity on Twitter?
• (21:41) - Figuring out what Builder Methods is and who it's for
• (24:53) - Should Brian hire someone to help achieve his goal?
• (28:47) - How is AI killing Saas
• (39:54) - People will want their own agent to use the softare, not a company's AI
• (51:07) - Jordan's CRM experiment

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Links:

• Builder Methods Pro
• Brian's YouTube

What happened to you in Mexico? Justin is back from his co-founder retreat with Jon on Holbox Island. He gets vulnerable about the drift that naturally happens in a remote co-founder relationship, the big conversations they'd been avoiding, and the realization that alignment isn't a one-time thing (it requires constant investment!). Jordan and Brian weigh in on co-founder dynamics, decision-making in a 50/50 partnership, and why strategy has to belong to a key decision maker.

The conversation then spills into the "Mexican standoff" happening on teams as AI reshapes who does what and whether that's something to fear (or lean into).

Timestamps:

• (00:06) - Introduction
• (01:47) - Justin and Jon's founder retreat
• (06:44) - Using video as an example of how to communicate with cofounders
• (09:45) - It's not a marriage, it's a dictatorship
• (12:12) - What do goals look like for a company?
• (20:48) - Video is hard and heavy... should we do it?
• (24:22) - What Jordan's done to help alignment on his team
• (29:46) - What about Jon's side of the conversation?
• (39:46) - Navigating new work dynamics with the speed of AI
• (46:56) - There are smart developers resisting AI - why?
• (54:24) - A Mexican standoff on teams
• (01:06:47) - Company design and system design

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Holbox Island
• Photos from co-founder retreat
• Article: The five stages of losing our craft
• Article: Will Claude Code ruin our team?
• Jack Dorsey lays off 931 workers
• Polsia - this weird AI driven SaaS making $2m! (You give it an idea, provide a budget/credit card, and it autonomously launches the business)
• More on Ben Cera, founder of Polsia
• The Amazing Money Machine book cover